EMO?

post rock are people who say (and thhis is an actual quote) "wow man thats so lo fi you can barely make out the instruments!" they are basically the indie version of hard core black metallers except not grim kvlt or necro

wtf. post-rock generally doesn't have bad production but the instruments tend to blend together because its more about a rising swell of sound rather than being able to pick out what each individual person is doing.

I think that's more the stereotype of 'indie rock.' I have a friend, Seth (I play in and produce his band actually, so I guess this makes me a hypocrite), who we always call 'Super Indie Seth' because of his love of indie music and the associated production. Hell, most of what he owns is 'indie'-- You have to use a hammer to get his toaster to work, his DVD player has the top opened up and you need to jam a pair of pliers in it a certain way to keep the spinning DVD held in place, etc...

Post-rock does have some roots in so-called indie music though, or so I'm told.

I think the whole "emo" term gets thrown around way to much. Half of the bands or songs that get that label have nothing to do with that genre in the first place. People use it as some kind of label for something they don't like anymore.

I think thats true but only from person to person. I know people like that who will call any band that they don't like emo, but I also know people, including myself, who are a little more mature about music that doesn't interest us. I hate the entire realm of 'emo', which includes the music, e.g. MCR, funeral for a friend, taking back sunday, panic at the disco etc. I remember one of my friends playing me some emo music about a year and a half ago. 3 bands sounded so similar they could have been the same band. The image is horrible, guys wearing clothes THAT tight is just wrong. None of it appeals to me at all. But I don't go calling Gun's 'n' Roses emo just cuz I don't like them. I also hate the whole 'I listen to this music to be different, just like all my friends' thing. Which includes self-harm, which emo has also made alot more common. And before anyone thinks I'm saying that because it's what everyone thinks 'emo's' do, I know people who wouldn't have even considered it before they got into the whole emo trend, but have done it since. Self-harm IS a growing problem amongst younger people, and the emo culture DOES have a part in it. Also alot of emo's tend to be very uptight and will accuse any music they don't like as being 'unoriginal' and 'uninspired' or just simply 'noise', whether they have actually heard the band or not. The emo stereotype is not actually a stereotype, it's reality! And I don't like any of it.

Oceansize labeled themselves "Progressive Death Indie", that made me laugh


EDIT: Heh that was pretty off-topic But I saw some people talking about Indie so I figured I'd mention that

EMO?

If that was emo, sign me right the fuck up!!!

You really think so?
I think Lars Ulrich and Kirk Hammett are really dreadful. James Hetfield has a great voice in my opinion and he writes cool tunes, but that's about it.

There must be a reason that they're seen as the founders of thrash metal, they have millions of fans and play huge stadium tours. They must have done something right at some point.

OK that point was 20 years ago and they've kind of derailed since, but still.

Well, yeah, but that's not what I was talking about. Oasis are seen as the founders of Britpop and they're also mediocre musicians. I was just talking about the musicianship of Metallica. And YES, I do know that musicianship has nothing to do with the quality of the music. Except with Meshuggah, who rule (just to piss off Biert, ).
The point I was trying to make, is that I'm really fed up with mediocre musicians being succesful and praised as excellent musicians, like Razorlight, Snowpatrol, Arctic Monkeys and Kaiser Chiefs. I've spent the bulk of my life studying guitar, and some stoner who plays 4 chords goes straight to the top. Besides that, there are amazing musicians like Devin, Dream Theater, Steve Vai, etc, etc, who aren't noticed, and if they are, people say: "Well, this is just too technical for me". Every time I hear that, it converts into my ear like: "I've got no time to listen to interesting music, and would rather hear easy, chewable songs to dance too".
Well, in the end it's all a matter of taste and I can't do anything about it; it's just using up the last patience I have.

The more I think about it, the more obvious it is that there's a HUGE difference between being a good sing-writer and being a good musician. Dream Theater are amazing musicians, but there are times where I seriously despise their song-writing skills. Then there's bands like Metallica, who don't touch DT in any realm of technicality, but their songs are far more catchy, and memorable. I don't think you can compare song-writing skills with the skills one has on their instrument. They are two separate realms that happen to co-exist in the same job.

Okay...but don't say I didn't warn you:

2. All Hail The New Flesh

Hey Man, I'm Going To Fuck This Shit Up
No Fear, No Compromise, I Want It All
I Will Never Be Afraid, And I'll Die With What I Believe

All Of You Assholes Can Stay Rotting Here
I Do No Care, I Will Not Be There
I Have Got To Save Myself
And Don't Tell Me There's No One Else

And All You Are Is All You Are...
I'm So Sorry (For You) I'm Sorry...

So All Hail The New Flesh,
Because It Suits Me Fine...

Just Get Away, You Motherfuck
And We'll Be Back If You Come
For What This Means To Me, You Piece Of Shit...
I'll See You Pigs In Hell
I Just Know Everything's Going To Be O.K.

Dude you've gone too far, that's just insulting, how dare you post that hack's lyrics here!?

The Metallica argument is an ugly one. I think their first 4 albums are solid, accessible thrash metal that arguably started the genre and popularized metal, but there were better thrash bands out there, and they definitely suck now... that basically applies too all of the "big 4" of thrash

imo the only thing challenging about Dream Theater's music is learning how to appreciate a bunch of tasteless dudes wanking in your ear. ... I can appreciate them on the same level as I can appreciate this video

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=6IKV0X3y9gc[/youtube]