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#282207 by JuZ
Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:18 pm
Hey Stu.

If it makes any difference I'm in pretty much the same boat as you but I'm 36!

For a bit of context (and I apologise for the very lengthy post here) I'm 6'4 and when I was 18 I only weighed 80kg (176 pounds). Even though I ate like a freaking pig. I was a human vacuum cleaner. Lunch was usually a dozen freshly made cinnamon donuts with a chocolate milkshake. Or it was 2 or 3 meat pies and a large Coke or 2. Breakfast was 6 or 7 weetbix (the only healthy thing I'd eat). Dinner was everything I could shovel into my gob. I'd pick the fridge clean. And around midnight I'd regularly get half a dozen soft cheese and bacon rolls, slather them with butter, more cheese, peanut butter and golden syrup and eat the lot with a 1.25 Litre Coke. Disgusting I know, but I seemed to enjoy it at the time. And I'd snack constantly in between. For example I'd make a big cup of chocolate butter icing (aka frosting) and just sit and eat it.

Thing was I played basketball for between 3 and 4 hours a day, played social sport with my mates on weekends, played in a mixed sports team and walked EVERYWHERE I went. And I had a physically demanding job. In other words I was as fit as a bull. And it was all easy because I did stuff that was fun. I hate exercising for the sake of it! Feel the burn? Pssshht! Fuck the burn! Unless it's a chilli sauce I don't wanna know about it! Oh and the other thing is that I didn't drink at all. Just wasn't interested.

I gave up the super-insane eating over the years but still loved my food to excess, I took up drinking and gradually tailed off with the exercise, other than doing weights for a couple of years. I'm now 108kg (240 pounds) and while I don't really look "fat" because of my long-limbed frame and a fair bit more muscle mass than I had at 18, I'm basically VERY unhealthy.

So anyway, my body is now telling me to quit this bullshit and get my act together. I had an episode of gout which HURTS LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER. I don't recommend it. My back is shot from lifting heavy shit and playing cricket (if cricket doesn't look strenuous, watch some slow motion footage of a fast bowler... it's a killer!). I have a big flabby gut and high blood pressure, the muscles I was so proud of are a shadow of their former selves and my lack of fitness doesn't help with other ailments either.

But I'm in the middle of completely turning it around. I've stopped drinking other than social events (and I am pretty anti-social so that's code for almost no booze at all, haha). I'm walking every day. I'm eating lean protein, plenty of vegetables and fruit, and a balanced amount of unprocessed carbs. So I still eat curry, but I'll just make it a low-salt, low-fat beef of chicken curry with a bit of brown rice and some greens. Still tastes bloody awesome. If I want a burger I'll make one. My slow-cooker is my new best friend - chuck some stuff in it in the morning and come home to a cooked meal. Sweet! Every now and then if I really want something I will still eat it. No big deal. I'm getting back on my bike next week to ride to work four times a week. There's 45 minutes of relatively high-intensity exercise, and it's just traveling to work and back. Not tedious, grinding exercise for the sake of it. I'm joining a social sporting team and will be starting weights again in a few weeks, once the body adjusts to riding the bike each day.

If you're still reading all this incredibly self-indulgent crap, the moral of the story is don't wait - I completely agree with the others in that the number one thing to do is some kind of regular physical activity you enjoy (or at least learn to enjoy), combined with moderation with your food. And it's not all-or-nothing. It's tempting to think of it as eat whatever you want and sit around all day, or eat like a rabbit and exercise like a fiend. But it's not - you don't have to start with running marathons tomorrow. Even some long walks every day possible for a few weeks to get the blood pumping, and to get you used to exercise being just a part of what you do every day. It makes a difference! Think of it as something you can sustain for your rest of your life - that's what's most important, surely. Not some stupid hardcore diet where you lose a shitload of weight and then give up and put the weight back on and then some. Then if you feel like you want to step it up and get fitter and fitter, it will be sustainable because you know you can do it and the alternative isn't to drown in chocolate bars and beer.

The unexpected bonus is that you'll also FEEL better. More energy, less aches and pains you didn't even know you had, more focus, more staying power (in every sense :shock: ), more drive, more determination, less depression, less self-doubt, more pride. Sounds like Tony Robbins style horseshit but it's all true.

Loooooong story short, eat better and move more. And if you fuck up, don't stress it and don't quit. We all fuck up. Just do better the next day. If a slack-arsed, lazy shit like me can do it, I bet you can too.
#282211 by stubear280
Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:50 pm
That was actually a great read, Juz. I eat about the same as you did without the exercise which puts me at about 280 and I'm 5'8 tops. Needless to say I am a BUTTERBALL. When I was 238, I felt awesome. Everything about me was better. Then I went back to the whole fat and happy thing. I can honestly say it's nice eating whatever, but it's taking it's toll on me now. I feel the blood pressure rise after I eat and it's awful. I've spent the last half of the day eating better and walking, and I already feel a bit better. Not to mention I don't wanna die really young, so shaping up a bit is a must for me right now.

I think I'm gonna fix my drumset up and start playing again. I heard somewhere that playing drums for an hour burns 600 calories! and I just love playing. Nothing more fun than getting a bunch of buddies together and having a nice long jam! So hopefully drums a long with eating better and other activities will shave off the weight.


Also, thanks everyone for the kind words and short notice support. You guys are awesome!!
#282214 by JuZ
Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:06 pm
That's awesome Stu, good to hear. If you have something you love that ALSO makes you sweat like crazy you're all set!
#282217 by Coma Divine
Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:57 pm
This has all been very good to read.

Me? 47 years old. Was fit as fuck until about 6.5 years ago when I was injured at work (arthritis in both knees from jumping from moving trains approximately 100,000 times over 20 years), couldn't exercise anywhere near as I had been. If anyone remembers the pic of me in the kilt, that was I - 6'2" 100kg and built like a brick shithouse. :D

Couldn't walk most days after my employer (for you locals - a train operator whose name starts with "V" :wink: ) threw me to the glue factory over 3 years back. Short version:

Kept gaining weight alarmingly, despite not eating any more than I had been for 30 years.
Gout (yes Justin - worse than a broken bone)
Clinical depression (still on Zoloft)
Hypertension
Sleep apnea (my snoring was clocked at 95 decibels) and I sleep with a CPAP mask now
Swollen ankles and feet
recurrent bronchitis - then pneumonia last year (even though I kicked smoking 3 years back)
and Type 2 diabetes (just. only diagnosed a coupla months ago)

If anyone remembers the pics of me with Dev and the DTB/P boys from March last year - I looked like a hairy blimp.
Now, while that may get the heartrate of certain Bavarians a-racin' :wink: ...that wasn't the end of it. Just under 2 months ago I weighed in at 178.8kg...that is a tad under 400lbs for you metrically-challenged. :shock: :sad:
Looking at the end of the Universe, I was.
Not in a great place - which essentially explains my lengthy absences from here the past couple of years...a situation which no doubt was greeted with much rejoicing for most of you here... :P

So:
I went for the drastic option and and had a Lapariscopic sleeve gastrectomy to bring my calorie consumption into line with my energy expenditure. My stomach only holds 150ml and I can barely eat a piece of toast...but that is the point. The weightloss has been astonishing. I still have an enormous way to go, but now that I'm getting used to the amounts I can eat - it is getting easier. Bought an iPod and am walking every day. Not a lot, because my knees are and will remain totally fucked until I'm old enough for total replacements (ie. 5 minutes from death), so every day and night is pain, but the alternative is premature oblivion.
My apologies too, for such a long rave (won't bother the vast majority who never read anything I post, anyway :wink: ) but my point (now that I have blithered along enough to remember it :lol: ) is if you have the chance to exercise:

FUCKING DO IT. :D


(wow, today's page is an anathema for the "tl;dr" crowd!)
:mrgreen:
#282223 by Bookwyrm83
Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:57 pm
As much as I should leave a little food left on the plate, I don't like wasting it.
Plus I try to eat healthier foods, and in the last couple of years my figure has slimmed, although I feel like I weigh about the same. My problem is I know I've eaten, I know I'm full, and yet I keep eating anyway - I guess just for something to do.
Hm.
#282255 by swervedriver
Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:59 am
I cycle to and from work, which is about 40 minutes each day. Weekend usually has a 3 to 4 hour band rehearsal which is also fairly labour intensive. Other than that I don't move. Fortunately I don't have a huge appetite either, so I'm basically in balance weighing in at around 65 kg (145 lbs). I think I was at 70 during my time in Italy, and below 60 when I was seriously ill, but it's never been at a point where I felt I needed to take active measures to change it. Guess I'm lucky that way.
#282259 by JuZ
Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:21 am
Coma Divine wrote: *snip!*

FUCKING DO IT. :D


(wow, today's page is an anathema for the "tl;dr" crowd!)
:mrgreen:


Well I read it! Tough times bro. Glad to hear things are on the up and up for you. And it's always a pleasure to read your posts, so don't talk shit mate! :lol:

How did you go with your energy levels on such a rapidly reduced calorie intake?

And interesting to hear about your knees. I have a relative in her early 50s who has had both hips done. The docs said she should wait until she was in her 60s as they would wear out but she told them to get stuffed as she could be dead tomorrow and had things to do today! I can understand both sides of the argument. Hers was that she was in crippling pain NOW and needed her independence and freedom from pain while she was still active, able and 'relevant'. The docs said she could wear them out at a time when she is STILL active and needs them. Hmmm.
#282262 by sarai-chan
Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:45 am
TL;DR MY ASS!

Random thoughts turned into "Inspiring stories from IRL" in just few posts!


I know I too have my weight story to tell, but the key to it all is just to move your body, like all have noted.
So I'm this 162 cm tall giant, and my weight has been around 62-64 kgs for 1,5 years now.
I've always been active, sometimes just not that active and I admit it, I seek to find the most comfortable way to achieve
my goal or get something done. I am lazy, to put it short and easy :D
(this is going to be a looooooooooooooooooong post...!)

First to sixth grade I walked to school or went by bike.
I had a stable nearby and I went riding and I loooooved to spend my days outside playing with the kid next door.
We were wolves, mongooses, deers, whatever cool animals and ran around our backyard forest like maniacs.
Though I was a hyper kid, I got a bit.. fat, to say.

Secondary school was a bit more far away, so I had to go there by bus.
Starting a completely new school with strangers, I quickly got some really nice nicknames, like "pink the pig" or "eyeglass monster"..
My weight became quite obvious and I ended up dressing like Fred mothafunkin' Durst after the first year to hide myself.
But after some nice incidents I found snowboarding, which really got me going again.
Spending 3-4 hours after school and weekends 4-10 hours on board quickly gave me these leg muscles I'm so proud of.
Snowboarding is hard, it requires a lot from you if you really do it, and not just sit in the slope gossiping around or sitting in the café whole evening.
I could eat as much as I wanted and I did have a good appetite, needless to say I slept like a log.

At summer I'd bike like a maniac (I do things like maniac.. :D), just for fun and to keep me in shape for the winter again.
Went to gym with my mom, which was soooo much fun!
Then I got my first dog, and again I'd spend all days outside with her (Mushu, some of you might have heard of her ;) ), just goofing around.
I was happy, in shape and active. Before my 20's I was a fit girl with insanely strong legs, weighing around 58-59 kgs.

But then I moved to a new city with my that-time-boyfriend.
Apartment didn't allow pets, so I couldn't take my dog there.
Had no job, lazy boyfriend who loved noodles, no active friends to activate with..
I started to swell up.
Being that short, it didn't take much time for me to start to look like a fatball with arms and legs.
This went on for few years, leaving me with nearly 70 kgs of flab.
It took some turns, but after I got another degree and got a job, the local bus company turned out to be my saviour.
Their busses wouldn't arrive on time, which left me late from opening the store and some times the bus didn't show up at all.
I called my dad and asked if he could borrow me some money to buy a bike.
And I sneaked my dog to live with us and no complaints were made, so I got my active friend back with me as well.
Walking with her three times a day (2-4 kms per walk), going to work by bike (10 kms per day) really made those pizzas, chinese takeaways and noodles melt away.
I lost only few kilos in weight, but toned my legs and upper body to a moderate shape again.
Felt better, slept better and going to the woods with your dog really cleansed your mind free from unnecessary worries.
(No amount of walking in the woods will still get you free from phone and electricity bills though, keep that in mind :lol: )
I haven't ever been a drinking type, but I like food soo much...
So changing from "what you want to eat to what you should eat" played a big role for me.
Gave up on excessive amounts of candy, POTATO CHIPS (oh how I love them!), pizzas, chinese..
I'd buy food with lesser & healthier amounts of salt, fat and sugar, trying to get used to their healthy taste on the way :roll:
(They really don't taste too different, except youghurts!)

Then some major disasters hit me and my fans, and I ended up working out like crazy to keep bad thoughts at bay.
I'd do 400 sit-ups, 200 lift-ups for my back (you know, on the floor face down, hands behind your head and lift your head up), 50 push-ups per day or as many as I only could, then go biking, running with the dogs, or taking the dogs for a walk and then after that run the same route without them..
Just working out so hard my vision would start to blur. Then I felt "I did enough".
And eating only dark bread, water, tea, vegetables, some chicken or fish occasionally, but not every day.
Not healthy, not at all..
About 8 months of vigorous and stupid exercise.
But after I weighed 60-62kgs, lost nearly 14 cms from my waist, 12 cms around my butt and lots of cms from all around me (not my hair though) and that's where I am now.
For now, I'm afraid :lol: :roll:

Without biking (but still walking and jogging and running!) I've started to lose my leg muscles again, not to mention rest of me starting to .. soften.
I am getting softer, that's how I'd put it.
I'm just 27 now, so I have hope left and now I've returned back to doing some at-home-exercises with weights, doing sit-ups and that sort of stuff.
I barely watch what I eat, but I like veggies and "bunny food", and keep pizzas and kebabs and goodies only for special occasions.
Now I have found foods that keep me healthy and happy, I have two dogs to run around with and I love to ride my bike in the tricky forest trails.
I feel I've earned sometimes something really unhealthy but sinfully good as a price for my hard work. Like POTATO CHIPS!

Dunno if I'll get to under 60 kgs again, but I'm happy in my current size and weight, I don't think I'd be happier if I weighed less than this.
Just keep this steady activeness and watch what I eat, I think that can keep me in shape.
I'm just wondering, getting closer to my 30's, what will happen then? :?: :!: :?:

Ok, I need to stop now or I will go on forever :lol:
One last thing though:

Dunkelheit wrote:
Coma Divine wrote:FUCKING DO IT. :D


this


This again.
Greatest advice :D
#282264 by Bookwyrm83
Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:12 am
Big thunderstorm lashing the city most of today. Forgot my jacket (again) and got drenched on my way home (again). Sweet.
#282276 by Tonya Elf
Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:08 am
The conversation about weight/diet/exercise here has been very interesting to read...I think it really is true, we are what we eat, and if we eat shit we eventually are going to look and feel like shit. The advice about exercise I think is wonderful, incorporating exercise into regular daily activity is such a great start (like biking to work...if I don't get my usual exercise in during the week, which lately has not been accomplished because of the incredible stress I'm going through right now, at least I can say I do that), and whoever said the thing about, if you fuck up just start again tomorrow - is SO right. We all fuck up, it's going to happen. Can't say, "Well, I blew it, may as well wait until Monday (or next month, or whatever), to start over." And those of you battling some serious health issues along with weight (Juz, Stu, Coma Divine, and anyone else I may have missed), good luck! If you ever need a cheerleader, I'm right here! :)
#282285 by Faffy
Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:29 am
I think it's important to point out that different things work for different people.. or as I like to say: several things work for lots of people. :D Most people have throughout my life recommended me exercise and food that I know I would NEVER stick to (and it IS a commitment. So I wouldn't choose a method that I wouldn't stick to). Luckily, I learned there were other (healthy) ways to lose weight and sort out my hormonal fuckery, that I have been sticking to for over a year. Don't just find a way that works, but find something you LIKE.

Regardless of method though, there's one advice relevant for everyone: don't beat yourself up over a doughnut or a day on the sofa. Just get back to your "programme" again. ^^,
#282286 by Dunkelheit
Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:41 am
Faffy wrote:I think it's important to point out that different things work for different people.. or as I like to say: several things work for lots of people. :D Most people have throughout my life recommended me exercise and food that I know I would NEVER stick to (and it IS a commitment. So I wouldn't choose a method that I wouldn't stick to). Luckily, I learned there were other (healthy) ways to lose weight and sort out my hormonal fuckery, that I have been sticking to for over a year. Don't just find a way that works, but find something you LIKE.

Regardless of method though, there's one advice relevant for everyone: don't beat yourself up over a doughnut or a day on the sofa. Just get back to your "programme" again. ^^,


theres a book called "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle" by Tom Venuto, sounds like a body building book, but it is not (just ignore the feed the muscle part :P) ;)

the one thing one learns to accept in the end is that if one loves food, one is doomed to exercise :D (at least people with slow metabolism! like moi)
#282287 by swervedriver
Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:04 am
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#282288 by Octillus
Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:20 am
Also, if you're someone who consumes a lot of high fructose corn syrup, knock it off. That's like 10 bonus pounds really quickly really easily.

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