I just don't like the 'basic metal idea'... Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth, etc, etc. All the 'metal-heroes'. It's so corny, which is why I like Devin making fun of the genre. Cross-over bands like Meshuggah, Dream Theater, etc, just do a lot more for me than the 'real heavy metal'.
Death metal I can listen to for a while, because of the technicality of it, but black metal is just pathetic in my eyes. But hey, thank god for opinions, right?

I have to agree. So called classic metal and its influence on todays genre (i.e. I smell Iron Maiden in In Flames and similiar Gothenburg style bands, which makes me steer away from them) makes me sad. On the other hand, 80s synth pop mixed with superheavy stuff is thing I'm always waiting for

Actually, to sum it up, I agree with Sturgeon's Law - 90% of EVERYTHING is crap. Including 90% of metal. I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful, people playing stuff I don't like are often skilled and even talented, but most of music is just redundant, and I don't want to waste my listening time to clone bands. Give me new stuff!

yes i am going! i didn't know about it till now but yes!

yes i am going! i didn't know about it till now but yes!

Nice, even though the only bands on that bill I know are Mogwai Sunn and Oxbow... should be a loud concert

Actually, to sum it up, I agree with Sturgeon's Law - 90% of EVERYTHING is crap. Including 90% of metal. I mean, I don't want to be disrespectful, people playing stuff I don't like are often skilled and even talented, but most of music is just redundant, and I don't want to waste my listening time to clone bands. Give me new stuff!

Yeah I agree with the 90% of everything is crap (although that means that 10% of classic metal is good!!!).

I disagree about clone bands being bad, doing something new generally means sucking (90% of the time even!)

I disagree about clone bands being bad, doing something new generally means sucking (90% of the time even!)

Well, at least they try, points for ambitions

Clone bands are OK as long as you like the original band that came up with the concept. Meshuggah started a new wave of metal bands that use poly-rhythmic riffs and junk. Some don't sound EXACTLY like Meshuggah - most bands will add in something or fuse something from another style/genre to make it more unique. Tesseract for example adds keys and samples to the equation, making it more melodic, and thus the mood is far different to Meshuggah.

90% of metal is crap? Well then, you aren't looking hard enough, or there's a little too much close-mindedness going on. It's more like 70% is crap, but if there's 100 bands for example, rather than only having 10 of them that are good, there's 30. Keep searching.

I actually like a lot of clone bands while not really enjoying the originals =\. I've never been able to stand any of Black Sabbath's singers but I think Pentagram, Witchfinder General, and Candlemass all kick ass. I think Meshuggah clones are something of a different story just because of how much a Meshuggah-style riff jumps out at you, they're so immediately recognizable.

90% might also be a little high, but there are a lot of bands out there, but its some sort of majority anyhow. It's all opinions really, I know someone who can hear pretty much any death metal, from Morbid Angel to Cynic to Job for a Cowboy to Necros Christos and think it kicks ass... no matter how obscure or trendy or unoriginal it is (except the melodeath that is more Iron Maiden with growling than death metal, he hates that =\)

I know someone who can hear pretty much any death metal, from Morbid Angel to Cynic to Job for a Cowboy to Necros Christos and think it kicks ass... no matter how obscure or trendy or unoriginal it is (except the melodeath that is more Iron Maiden with growling than death metal, he hates that =\)

Funny. that sounds EXACTLY like my brother.

Clone bands are OK as long as you like the original band that came up with the concept. Meshuggah started a new wave of metal bands that use poly-rhythmic riffs and junk. Some don't sound EXACTLY like Meshuggah - most bands will add in something or fuse something from another style/genre to make it more unique. Tesseract for example adds keys and samples to the equation, making it more melodic, and thus the mood is far different to Meshuggah.

Yeah, should've mentioned Tesseract, mr. Bulb or Textures, that's the kind of cloning I like, creative cloning in genre that isn't that crowded yet (these crazy rhythms seem harder to play than, lets say, insane guitar shred).

90% of metal is crap? Well then, you aren't looking hard enough, or there's a little too much close-mindedness going on. It's more like 70% is crap, but if there's 100 bands for example, rather than only having 10 of them that are good, there's 30. Keep searching.

90% of everything is not-that-exciting, no exceptions for metal. The thing is I found the best things ever in that 10% of metal left, no other genre of music gave me such treats. Ok, maybe "crap" is too strong word, but among these 90%, things get at most OK - and I don't want to listen (and buy) to music I consider "decent", I want music that kicks my arse. Additionally, I've noticed that less and less things makes impression on me as I get older - information overload I guess, thanks to internet you have chance to listen to millions of similiar bands.

Close-mindedness? Why? In my case that isn't "they're wee little gay emo cnuts, I hate them coz they aren't tr00 and can't play gitter", that's rather "I listened samples, respect their skills, but I find it unimaginative and decide to give my money to some other musicians".

And yes, I'm searching all the time

I don't think Meshuggah are really that complex or hard to play...

I mean you've got Cannibal Corpse:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKTinvL2I0w[/youtube]

vs Meshuggah (or fredrik's side project, whatever )

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8[/youtube]

Good call, I'm too tired for a write up on this but I agree with whats being implied by the above videos.

Well, that's the question for musicians, I only know that I Cannibal Corpses rhythms sound easier to tap - contrary to Meshuggah's songs, that confuses me to end, couldn't tap the rhythm even for frequently listened ones

BTW, this is medley of Fredrik Thordendal Special Defects with only rhythm guitar parts, there's lot of awesome soloing over that on the CD. Sure they should get another rhythm guitar player and let Fredrik play his crazy, breath controlled solo stuff. But well, this is drummer showcase after all - Morgan Agren is great.

BTW, this is medley of Fredrik Thordendal Special Defects with only rhythm guitar parts, there's lot of awesome soloing over that on the CD. Sure they should get another rhythm guitar player and let Fredrik play his crazy, breath controlled solo stuff. But well, this is drummer showcase after all - Morgan Agren is great.

Yeah Special Defects is a really strange and demented album.

The cannibal corpse thing wasn't the greatest comparison because their drumming is fairly simple while Meshuggah's most complex aspect is the drumming (I'm a bassist and I can safely say that Alex Webster's stuff is hard ). I just find it odd that Meshuggah get so much praise for their musicianship when even a stereotypically stupid death metal band like Cannibal Corpse is pretty damn impressive as well

ps. not to mention how practically every modern death metal or metalcore band is referred to as "technical" >_<

I just don't like the 'basic metal idea'... Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth, etc, etc. All the 'metal-heroes'. It's so corny, which is why I like Devin making fun of the genre. Cross-over bands like Meshuggah, Dream Theater, etc, just do a lot more for me than the 'real heavy metal'.

That's the problem of you latecomers (I guess you are younger than 34, right?).

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't call proto-progressive/technical metal like Maiden's Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner, Metallica's Orion or Megadeth's Wake Up Dead "corny" if you would have grown up in the eighties - and I don't think Devin's really making fun of these pioneering bands and their art, but more of the whole metal "scene" and its stereotypes.

What you call making fun of I call making an homage to!

I used to think earlier metal was silly but now I think a lot of it is way better than modern metal, funny how things change

btw Manilla Road are amazing and underrated

just while we're on the subject of 80s metal

Good call, I'm too tired for a write up on this but I agree with whats being implied by the above videos.

I still feel that the Special Defects video is much more complicated to play than the Cannibal Corpse stuff. Sure, they're fast, but apart from that, it's pretty straightforward. Writing a good, technical, yet still funky riff is a helluva lot more complicated than writing a speedy death metal riff, in my book.
Not to mention Fredrick's solo's and sound (Alan Holdsworth anybody?)...