Yea, must be global warming

Try to explain that on the other end of your country where it's around 0 F? Or in Spain where there are thick layers of snow?

Its kinda too warm here. It should be -5 to -10 c, but its 0 c. And rain. All the nice snow is melting.

Yea, must be global warming

Try to explain that on the other end of your country where it's around 0 F? Or in Spain where there are thick layers of snow?

Twas meant as severe sarcasm. I dont believe in Global Warming, only warming/cooling trends that have always happened on Earth.

Yea, must be global warming

Try to explain that on the other end of your country where it's around 0 F? Or in Spain where there are thick layers of snow?

Twas meant as severe sarcasm. I dont believe in Global Warming, only warming/cooling trends that have always happened on Earth.

Good, smart guy

Katie Melua donated a gold record to a charity auction... Wouldn't make that a nice Christmas gift from you guys, for me?

She donated to charity

I dont think you need any charity

I don't know, Biert always seems like a total charity case to me...

She donated to charity

I dont think you need any charity

She donated it to a charity auction

Here's the deal: You guy buy it, give it to me, money goes to charity. Every body wins!

Yea, must be global warming

Try to explain that on the other end of your country where it's around 0 F? Or in Spain where there are thick layers of snow?

Twas meant as severe sarcasm. I dont believe in Global Warming, only warming/cooling trends that have always happened on Earth.

Good, smart guy

Wow.


I think of that as the same as not believing in the evolutionary theory. I mean, global warming is proven. I mean, sure, warming/cooling trends has always been a fact, because of our earth ax moving. But not at this speed. Not ever.

I think of that as the same as not believing in the evolutionary theory. I mean, global warming is proven. I mean, sure, warming/cooling trends has always been a fact, because of our earth ax moving. But not at this speed. Not ever.

Other research proved that global warming is a load of shit.

You know, it's pretty obvious that the climate is a bit confused right now. You want to call that 'global warming', that's fine. But 'global warming' has been used as a synonym for 'greenhouse effect', which is incorrect. The greenhouse effect could be the cause of global warming. However, to my knowledge it has never been proven that mankind has anything to do with the change of climates.

The way I see it, the whole global warming fad finds its source in two things (well actually a combination of those two and most likely a whole lot of (not necessarily unrelated) coincidences, like being in the middle between two ice-ages):
1) We have loads of data about the climate from all over the world these days, which allows us to do way too much statistical research (which may not even be valid, as a lot of statistical research is invalid these days, but that's a different story) leading us to the drawing of premature conclusions, for the sake of creating news. We have much more and much more accurate data than before, you can't really compare 'the weather 50 years ago' with 'the weather these days'. I'm trying to say, it's all exaggerated, the differences aren't as big as they're trying to make us believe.

2) The earth's magnetic field is turning around. It's nothing unique, it does that approximately every 120,000 years (we know this by measuring the magnetic field in the volcanoes on Hawaii, since lava maintains the magnetic field of its surroundings when it solidifies). But the earth is slightly overdue, last time it happened was 600,000 years ago. Every time this happened, the strength of the magnetic field fluctuated a lot beforehand, sharply declining when it's about to happen. Which is what's happening now. And we do have the data from Hawaii, and it is accurate. Therefore it's fair to compare this time.
Anyway, the changing of the magnetic field is having its effect on our climate. I'm not sure how bad the effects (on our climate or other things) might be eventually... But I'm guessing we're fucked

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for trying to save energy. But I'm more worried about the earth running out of resources (oil, coal, whatnot) than I am about the greenhouse effect.


What I'm trying to say here is, don't just believe everything people tell you. Think for yourself. Take a critical look on everything your read or hear, then decide for yourself whether to believe it or not.

Alas I get the impression that not many people do this these days.


Are we off-topic?

Yea, must be global warming

Try to explain that on the other end of your country where it's around 0 F? Or in Spain where there are thick layers of snow?

Twas meant as severe sarcasm. I dont believe in Global Warming, only warming/cooling trends that have always happened on Earth.

Good, smart guy

Wow.


I think of that as the same as not believing in the evolutionary theory. I mean, global warming is proven. I mean, sure, warming/cooling trends has always been a fact, because of our earth ax moving. But not at this speed. Not ever.

Better yet why not just go with what congressional super liberals say about people who deny global warming and call me a Holocaust denier. Get your facts straight.

And Biert is right, I did just that and thought for myself. I drew some conclusions from things I've been seeing and living with(such as Florida, a sub tropical state, getting to freezing point in the month of October) I've heard the Farmer's Almanac has said we are going into a 50 year span of "global cooling". Global warming, in the way Al Gore put it, is basically some facts strung together with almost far-fetched ideas of what COULD happen if we burnt enough coal and oil to equal multiple volcanic eruptions for years straight.

And yes, it is proven that volcanoes do in fact cause more damage to our atmosphere than we do.(granted there havent been that many major eruptions in a while...but you never know)

A note on the off-topic topic of global warming:

I'm really, really sick of scientific issues like evolution and global warming being politicized. One does not "believe" in theories, and unfortunately, I'm going to rant: I'm fucking sick of that bullshit. Do you "believe" in gravity? In atoms? In cells? In the Big Bang? It's being pedantic, I know, but as someone who studies science, "belief" is not really something that ever comes into play. So stop "believing" and start deciding whether or not you agree with a theory. Save "belief" for religious nonsense.

In consequence, whether global warming is a result of human activity or not is pretty irrelevant. It couldn't hurt to use less oil & coal, so long as we don't go overboard and limit freedoms in the process. Honestly, solar energy would be a huge step forward, but everyone thinks that it's impossibly inefficient. Talk to the guys at MIT, and they'll let you know that better efficiency than any other energy source is just around the corner. And there's geothermal energy, too. But I suppose I'm talking more about the energy crisis than global warming. Biert and the other nay-sayers win on the GW front, I think--humans contribute a fractional (and I mean fractional) amount to greenhouse gases, and there are much bigger problems.

The universe is a dynamic place. Roll with the changes.




Humans are so self-important.

I don't believe in atoms. They (and even moreso what they consist of - ions and neutrons and whatnot) are merely a model scientists came up with that explains a number of phenomena that we see in physics. But it also fails to explain a whole lot of things - how can light have properties of both a wave and a particle, for instance?

Also I think evolution is in a different ball-park, people who deny it do so from religious backgrounds so it would be ok for them to say they don't believe it. But I'm fucking mosquitos as we say here

I think in general, soundsofentropy has it right.

[Keeker]

I too acknowledge the long changes in global climate, and the fact that we are still coming out of the most recent ice age. Also, it seems that we have been blindingly lucky for the past 10,000 years with a very stable climate - which has allowed civilisation to get a foothold. Stable climate = reasonable chances of predictable food supplies.

However, the one thing that bothers me is the 'Hockey Stick'. All those ice-core samples, coral reefs, etc., showing past climactic upheavals but none of 'em show CO2 shooting up so intensely in so short a time span.

It makes sense to me that freeing all that carbon from fossil fuels (which, after all, took millions of years to squirrel away) in so concentrated a time is bound to have an impact. It certainly can't be helping, put it that way.

I tend to discount volcanic activity because it has always been part of the cycle and there isn't any more volcanic activity now than there was thousands of years back. It ticks along fairly constantly in concert with the plate movements. It would only produce truly damaging amounts of crud if we had something like the Deccan Traps going on. And we don't. Fortunately.

So, as with most things, I don't think it is a black and white story of it existing or not. There are multiple factors influencing it. And I for one would rather see us at least try to reduce our negative impact on the planet. Global warming or not, we sure as shit are killing off the diversity of life around us and that will reduce our own ability to survive in the long term.

Anyway, from what I've read lately, we're in for a decade of temporary cooler temperatures because of some cyclical ocean current that cools things down every 70 years ... something.

(I'd just like a spot of snow at Christmas but I think we've reverted to the normal dreich weather we usually get this time of year.)

I don't believe in atoms. They (and even moreso what they consist of - ions and neutrons and whatnot) are merely a model scientists came up with that explains a number of phenomena that we see in physics. But it also fails to explain a whole lot of things - how can light have properties of both a wave and a particle, for instance?

Also I think evolution is in a different ball-park, people who deny it do so from religious backgrounds so it would be ok for them to say they don't believe it. But I'm fucking mosquitos as we say here

I think in general, soundsofentropy has it right.

That my friend, is where String Theory comes into play!