Quit bickering.

I'm off for a couple of days. Now behave, and merry christmas / winter solstice celebration everybody!

Tell me how me downloading it is negative if regardless of whether I have it now or not the end result would be the same? I would be the CD either way.

The thing is it is not about your conscience being clean, I perfectly understand you know you will buy the CD, but NO ONE but yourself can't be sure about that. Making it ok means that in this case HDR should just plain and simple trust everyone blindly that they will buy the CD when it gets out. No one can expect that from them but that is all they are left with to do. The cold logic of the Synchestra business is: "Synchestra is owned by tens, hundreds of people and it's not on sale yet. There is not a dollar earned and it won't be until the end of January." That's scary.

All in all, this rants are not addressed to "you the downloader" but to "you the supporter of downloading". You, who will buy the album, are sheltering those who will not, that's the negative. You and them are the same community. You keeping your head high is ok, feeling no shame is ok, but turning a blind eye and distancing yourself from the rest while giving them silent moral support is not ok.

I think as Tracy said, if you have to download it, its not cool having it in your download folder i.e. making it available to the masses. Im sure that could make at least a bit of a difference, i.e. if you get bored searching for the album, then you are not totally interested in the album. Its better that most people who download will buy the album. If its all over *popular p2p names* then the people who are not gonna buy will simply have themselves a free album. However, haha, they wont have a dvd/ace artwork/lyrics etc.

Just my 2 cents.

Take your self-rightousness and shove it up your ass. I see a lot of hypocrites on this board now that Devin didnt want us to download it.

Why the harsh wording? Did I hit a weak spot there? To me, your reaction is evidence that somewhere deep down, you know your actions are wrong, but you're afraid to admit it in public and you're too busy justifying it to yourself. I suggest re-thinking your argumentation (or coming up with a real one in the first place).

Me not downloading has nothing to do with Devin (or any other artist for that matter) not wanting me to - in fact, that is the very point of the whole thing: downloading is not the right thing to do, that's why I don't do it. I don't need anyone telling me so.

Besides, I still don't get what could possibly be "hypocritical" about not being a thief. "Hypocritical" is what I'd call your behaviour instead: justifying illegal activity and asserting one's innocence at the same time.

I just think the whole situation is getting way out of hand. I think all of these threads should be locked, this is just rediculous. It just seems like everyone is kissing up like a 5 year old does to his mom when he wants a lollipop. I do feel a little bad about downloading it, since Devin didnt want us to, but I know that his reason for saying this is because he doesnt want to get ripped off.

I admit to downloading music, but it is mostly to check out new bands, or rare cds that I cant find. And I have found a lot of new bands this way, and have bought a cd to support them. This is getting really old. I dont think im going to post anymore in the Synchestra discussion until the album is released. Everyone is just way too pissed and bent out of shape, and it just seems like the same thing over and over.

Well fuck that.....I know someone with it already and I'm telling them to fucking buy two copies now. I don't wanna hear it untill I pay my $15 for it. Dev's music has ALWAYS proved to be worth the wait and FOR SURE worth the money.

Screw leakers. They can suck a terd to a point and stab themselves with it.

The cold logic of the Synchestra business is: "Synchestra is owned by tens, hundreds of people and it's not on sale yet. There is not a dollar earned and it won't be until the end of January." That's scary.

That's a wonderfully concise nugget of sense........

They can suck a terd to a point and stab themselves with it.

.....and that's just bloody funny !

i would have never heard of devin townsend if someone hadn't downloaded a copy of ae and gave it to me...

The cold logic of the Synchestra business is: "Synchestra is owned by tens, hundreds of people and it's not on sale yet. There is not a dollar earned and it won't be until the end of January." That's scary.

That's a wonderfully concise nugget of sense........

They can suck a terd to a point and stab themselves with it.

.....and that's just bloody funny !

That's actually something Dev wrote in the liner notes to SYL's thank you list in the RED album credits. So only I think it's appropriate to say to people wanting to DL the shit.

I take Dev's music seriously. I don't want some hacked version of the album. I wanna pay for it, take it, sit in my room and blast the shit, or fill up the gastank and drive and take the whole thing in. I wanna be able to read the lyrics with it and look at the art of the album. If he as an artist takes his music that seriously to make the kinda of stuff he does, I'm going to do my part as a Dev conesour (sp?) and enjoy it properly.

As far as people being exposed to Dev via a friend DL, that's fine. But now that you KNOW OF DEV, don't use that as a bullshit excuse to grab the album before it comes out. Most people that say they'll by something when it comes out never usually do. Take $20, put it in a sock, and go listen to TERRIA untill Jan 27th when the new DTB comes out.

Not to sound harsh but shit man. It's the Dev.

I'd love to know how much is that $20 in comparison to your monthly wages.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm unemployed at the moment, and I'm quite lazy to be honest, never doing anything the world wants me to, but...
The average monthly wage (that I'm not on, anyway) in this country is about $500. It's not a little sum of money, of course, if you know where you stand. And I'm not saying that owning every damn piece of music in the market is a must (when I see people talking about their 3000+ CD collection, I just shrug and look away), so a fan can afford several (favourite) CDs a month, if he doesn't have to buy food, clothes, pay the rent, and maybe go to the cinema once a month, or buy a book. No, that's not a lame excuse for downloading anything. It's just an observation, I'm not going to excuse myself for anything here.
It's good that we all have opinions. It's good we have a place to voice them. Please, don't crack it all up just because you have a different idea of the way the (music) world should be. It's a sad thing that someone's love for music should be measured in bucks. Ah, yeah, I forgot, the world's a material place, right.

it sucks that guys like devin work hard to make music and people can get it free...alot of things suck...car accidents, cancer, taxes...that's life and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.

it sucks that guys like devin work hard to make music and people can get it free...alot of things suck...car accidents, cancer, taxes...that's life and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.

did you just compare downloading to cancer? good work

as far as both of them being sucky things you can do nothing about...yes.

All in all, this rants are not addressed to "you the downloader" but to "you the supporter of downloading". You, who will buy the album, are sheltering those who will not, that's the negative. You and them are the same community. You keeping your head high is ok, feeling no shame is ok, but turning a blind eye and distancing yourself from the rest while giving them silent moral support is not ok.

I am not giving anyone support. I'll say it again, I'm in Walmart shopping, I get thirsty and I have a lot more shopping to do. So I go up to the front a grab a soda from the cooler. I continue shopping and I drink some of the soda, maybe even all of it. I then finish shopping and go up front to pay, I put that empty bottle on the belt and have them ring it up and I pay for it. Am I a thief? Am I a supporter of thieves? Am I in the same community as thieves? Absolutely NOT!

This is no different.

it sucks that guys like devin work hard to make music and people can get it free...alot of things suck...car accidents, cancer, taxes...that's life and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.

Unfortunately it's a part of music now, just like movie bootleggers have been out there every since the camcorder was invented. What musicians need to do is find alternate ways to make cash. Unfortunately a lot of times fans equate this to selling out. You know damn well that a ton of Devin fans saw him on those MTV commercials and shouted SELL OUT!!! It's sad and pathetic. Fans are selfish by nature, I am selfish. We all are when it comes to music.

If people would just understand the nature of the business and how what they do affects it all then musicians would be much better off. I'd rather know Devin is doing commercials for MTV rather than knowing he's working at A&W again.

it sucks that guys like devin work hard to make music and people can get it free...alot of things suck...car accidents, cancer, taxes...that's life and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.

did you just compare downloading to cancer? good work

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!