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amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:51 am
by tgchan
Hey guys!

As some of you already know I am just starting my adventure with a guitar (I can even play good intro of truth yet :/)

Anyways at the moment I am using my guitar + PC with a GUITAR RIG 4
It sounds really nice (I have a lots of effects etc.) but I would like to feel that comming from amp. It just feels not right ;p maybe I am mistaken.


I don't have much money, I don't wanna any used stuff, I will use amp only at home nowhere else(so I think 15W is enough or not?)

I don't think I have to add that Devin is my musical god and he is the one responsible for my adventure with guitar ;p, I am learning how to play on guitar by trying/playing his songs. This is why I would like to have sound as close as it is possible to his(of course I know that this is impossible with just an amp, just saying because this may help with choice )



Now I would like to ask you for some suggestions:
- do you think I should stay with playing on my PC with guitar rig4?
- do you think I should get more money and get something decent? (but as I said I will play only at home)
- and the final question what would you suggest me to look for (what amp; power, model everything)

I am really looking forward for any help >:D

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:21 am
by Abydost
I still have the Line 6 Spider III 15w amp I bought almost two years ago, it's pretty good and doesn't afraid of anything. It can play louder than my friend playing drums 2 meters away.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:32 am
by grrrv
Playing through your computer is nice for the variety and the millions of different sound possibilites you can achieve with different combinations. Especially so, since you're trying to explore Devin's sounds, which of course often have lots of effects cascaded. On the other hand, I personally don't like Guitar Rig all that much... You should at least try ReValver instead (there's a free evaluation version available). I think it has a bit fewer different amp models than guitar rig, but they sound better, and also react to your picking much more like a real amp does.

Also, what kind of speakers are you using with the computer? If they aren't very good, the cheapest way to improve the experience would be to buy nicer speakers for the computer.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:36 am
by existentialist
Playing through your computer can yield amazing results. Guitar Rig is horrid though. Try Pod Farm or explore some of the free plugins avaliable.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:13 am
by tgchan
I am using headphones Sennheiser Hd555. Great headphones for audiophiles but I miss the sound not from headphones >:D


I will try revalver today.

and btw can I use Pod Farm without this special music card?

Your posts already really helped me a lot! Thx so much guys

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:42 am
by daneulephus
Maybe I am getting old...but, to me there is still nothing that beats playing through a loud ass amp...for recording OR playing live.

Granted, all my home recording is done with pre-amps and such...but if I had the space, I would crank my amp, mic it with a 57....and just go. I think sometimes the direct in/software type stuff can sound really congested. :/

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:48 am
by existentialist
For the pod farm you need an iLok. The Pod is sort of a niche amp though, most of the people that use it are looking for a Meshuggah type tone. The revalver is really good as well though. I actually have a really awesome clip with Revalver guitars made by a swedish guy called Behindert: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/389199/Shove2.mp3 ( FUCK YEAH! )
He also uses Amplitube 2 for some of the guitars and Amplitube 1 for the cleans.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:55 am
by tgchan
whoa at this song... that sounds fcking nice


So I guess I will stay with a pc at the moment as it seems it is not so bad + I am quite short on money.


I think this is wise decision, if I would know how to play at least 1 Dev's song I would go for amp, but I don't yet ;p

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:10 am
by existentialist
Honestly amps aren't any good unless you can afford to spend at least a couple thousand dollars imo.

At the risk of coming of as just whoring my own music, here's a clip I recorded with a free amp sim called Acmebargig DIG 2.5: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/774335/EGYPTIAN%20SHRED.mp3

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:29 am
by tgchan
I will just fcking ask HOW? lol I can't even get such a good sound in guitar rig...


is it your guitar + pc only or is it running through some kind of effects?


btw in what program are you running this VST?(d.i.g.)

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:58 am
by existentialist
I use Cubase 5 as my DAW. My guitar goes directly into my external soundcard. The trick is just to play tight and spend a lot of time playing with your tone. And a good bass tone and drum mix are equally or more important then the guitar.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:19 am
by tgchan
Ok thx.


I am thinking about getting some decent speakers to my pc, I really miss listening to music really loud.

I will also use it with a guitar and stop playing on my headphones.

Do you guys have any recommendations? I am thinking about simple 2:1by Creative they sound pretty decent.

But if you have any good options tested already with a guitar then I am all ears :)

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:36 am
by existentialist
I wouldn't know, I mix with my headphones.

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:58 pm
by ghaleon0075
What is your budget? And why not used?

Re: amp or no amp? for noob

PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:07 am
by grrrv
tgchan wrote:Do you guys have any recommendations? I am thinking about simple 2:1by Creative they sound pretty decent.

I don't know.. IMO the simple creative 2.1 sets sound like shit. For guitar playing, a subwoofer is probably not what you want. Maybe you should consider active speakers which are marketed as studio monitors? Maybe this http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/S ... eAV40.html ?