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Hi,

EDIT: The film is done and go check it out from another thread:

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Hi,
I'm a filmmaker too with probably a bit more experience. Dev's management quoting €500 is very expensive given the project and the level of artist. Yes, sync licenses even for shorts can go into the tens of thousands (artist dependent) but your short most likely won't recoup income and may just be shown on the indie film festival circuit. There's many very talented musicians who would score a whole feature film for less than that and Moby has music on his site that indie filmmakers can get a sync license that costs nothing. I expect if Dev had no management he possibly wouldn't care less and would probably be delighted with the publicity but I understand it's managements job to get income. Anyway, most film producers and me personally wouldn't spend €500 for song use given the nature of the project. Listen, best of luck with the project.

Thanks for the reply. Good points there and interesting ones. Yes I'm still a student of the art, so you probably are more experienced than me. I tried explaining the situation to his manager, but that's the lowest he said it could be done. I was a bit surprised myself, especially because the song isn't on ANY album, current or future, but if this is what it takes then I'll try it. Hopefully this works... Devin himself tweeted me "go for it."

If this doesn't work, then I'll think of something else. No harm in trying, right?

Well there you go! You learn something new each day, thank you for that

I think Dev's pretty cool with his tunes being used for film stuff anyways.

He's gonna score my film.

...whether he likes it or not.

DimmuO wrote:Thanks for the reply. Good points there and interesting ones. Yes I'm still a student of the art, so you probably are more experienced than me. I tried explaining the situation to his manager, but that's the lowest he said it could be done. I was a bit surprised myself, especially because the song isn't on ANY album, current or future, but if this is what it takes then I'll try it. Hopefully this works... Devin himself tweeted me "go for it."

If this doesn't work, then I'll think of something else. No harm in trying, right?

Yeah, I've produced and directed a feature film and many shorts. You see, the song Drench was released (i.e. distributed) by Devin and his management for free some weeks back for publicity no doubt. Here it is on youtube whereby someone synced it to an image without paying anything and it most likely has already generated more views than a very good short film will ever have - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zgoUxnEZ0 . The management haven't requested youtube to delete the video or indeed any of the many, many other Dev tracks that people have synced to images - and most of these weren't freely distributed songs. A request to pay €500 to sync this particular track to images on a no-budget student film is pretty rough imo. As students I suspect you didn't negoiate too well but saying '€500 is the lowest they could go' specifically means 'it's the lowest they wanted to go' - to be clear, they want €500 to put a signature on a standard sync license form which takes 20 seconds.

All the above is just me talking with my producer's hat on and as one filmmaker to another - I'd rather have outlined the above on a filmmaking forum! And obviously there's arguments I could outline from the artist's perspective, some creative and many legal ones. Sometimes in no-budget filmmaking were few people will see your work it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission if you know what I'm saying. Anyway, all the best with the funding and project!

I just watched your teaser trailer with Drench playing in the background, and it really fits well together.

I hope you meet your goal and good luck.

^ You should see the film with the song! It's awesome!

If you can, just spread the word as even clicks to the site help us out, because many clicks = we get featured on the site!

$100 of $750 raised in just two days! I'm sure we can get there. Paypal also available if you care to toss us a dollar or two! Rock on! (Listening to Addicted!)

@Indo_mex: Is there a trailer or a link to your feature film/short films, I'm really interested:)

Lettuce wrote:I think Dev's pretty cool with his tunes being used for film stuff anyways.

He's gonna score my film.

...whether he likes it or not.

The problem is that I could just use it if I'd only post it to a website like vimeo or youtube. BUT as I'm planning to sending the film all over European film festivals, I would be doing (in my opinion) something wrong ethically if I'd use an artists song without promission and the film would be shown on festivals where people actually pay to come to the screenings.

Ah! Gotcha. You're doing a proper film

I see that you have already collected $ 590. Impressive!

Maybe that's a cool model to raise money for indy-productions. If Devin would have set up something like that for getting enough money to hire Randy Staub and Mike Fraser for the Mixing of "Addicted", maybe it could have been worked?

I just watched the preview trailer with Drench playing in the background.. it's absolutely perfect..