Talk about whatever you want to here, but stay correct

#153821 by Kivenkantaja
Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:10 pm
I know this is a kind and a tolerant forum and we all are a bit afraid to talk about politics or conspiracies or religion or anything that might offend other people but...

...give this one a chance.


Ps. If this is to be my last post you know that the movie wasn't that full of bullshit :D

#153823 by Josiah Tobin
Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:19 pm
I was linked to this recently, but still haven't gotten around to watching the whole thing. Guess this is a reminder or something. :P

#153827 by Kivenkantaja
Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:57 pm
Watch it. It is worth it. Do not get scared/bored by the foliohats on the second part. When you get to third everything starts to make sense.

What I like most about this guy or group who made this film is this quote on their webpage:

--it is my hope that people will not take what is said
in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.

#153836 by Josiah Tobin
Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:15 pm
That was terrifying. I don't think I've ever been so scared about the so-called 'big picture' so commonly referenced than during the final bit of the third part. Both extremely depressing and extremely enlightening... I almost wish I hadn't watched it, but at the same time I know I'd probably be worse off.
Not sure what to think at the moment.

#153838 by ian_glanzman
Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:40 pm
I'm really glad you posted this. A great movie. I couldn't give a damn about the religious aspect of it but part 2 and part 3 are very interesting. I'm very interested in the opinions of the people on this forum.

#153840 by black_tooth_grin
Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:48 pm
I think the most important aspect of the movie would be part 3. Alot of it is true, the government in a sense is trying to control this world no matter what the cost. After all that we have seen in the last 30 - 40 years it's coming to the conclusion that this is real, and we need to wake up from this illusion.

Me and brothers follow in a sense what Bill Hicks was trying to get across in his comedy before his untimely departure from us. I see us as one race in which we have the power to do whatever we wish, no matter our background, color, religion or level of intelligence. There is infact no God in the sky, we are the Gods, we are in control of our own lives. We dont need people to tell us what to think and do, we can do whatever we wish. But as always people take this power for granted and try to control us all by making us do what they want.

I get very upset when people get blind sighted to the fact that their own government is trying to protect them from an evil which does not exist. Even though some of you may think that 9/11 was all a conspiracy and that actual terrorists did bomb the WTC, have a look back at past wars and judge for yourself. Most of them started off with one country falsely misleading their own people into believing that another "evil" terrorist group or country was wanting to put them in harms way and in turn started a war which was pointless.

Alot of the information about the chips in bedded into the new generation of children is true. I've read alot of information about it, and whatever way you try and look at it is true. We are slowly being convinced that no matter what, we'll always be in harms way from people who don't even exist let alone have the capability to put people in harms way.

We seriously need to wake up from this dream, alot of people in the past and present have been trying to tell us but in the end no one seems to believe them because both religion and government seem to control more and more of our world and take these people out of the picture in any way possible. To list afew, Gundi, John Lennon, Bill Hick, Jimi Hendrix, Martin Luther King, JFK (and his brother)...the list goes on.

If we don't wake up from this illusion all will be lost in the coming age, we will not have the power to fulfill or dreams or envision a peaceful world. We will be made as drones to work a pointless vision from a corporation in which the only reason for exsitance is to control and dominate the world.

But there is hope for the future, from this movie and many other made more and more people have been awakened to the fact that they are in control of their own life and they don't need a false idol to tell them what to do, because we are in fact God's ourselves. I myself had my awakening last year, I was empowered with a vision that we are all one and not matter what happens to us we'll live forever. I do believe there is a God, but not as we see him in mainstream religion. I see him or her, or it as a force which does not divide good or evil, because we are all the same and not matter what happens we will be welcomed into a new world in which peace will reign forever. But the only way this future can happen, is if we wake up from this dream we have been falsely been given by people high up in both government and religion.

To finish off, as Kai Hansen once said...

"We are live in future world, a world thats full of love". :)

#153870 by Kivenkantaja
Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:27 pm
The way the movie is constructed is genius. I really hope that it makes people lose their blind faith in Patriotism and Religion.

There's a lot good in most religions, even christianity. Noone can deny it. BUT there's nothing unique in any of them. Part one could convince anyone that it's all the same. They are a big lie and were created to make money. (even though there is some false information. There has to be, nobody can be sure of things that happened thousands of years ago)

Funny how religions were based in the ancient worlds strongest area of science and now they do all they can to drag us back to the middle-ages. For example the creationism museum that was opened recently. (It was in news here too. The anchor almost cracked up while reading the story :D)

A quick google search and I found out that J.D.Rockefeller is or was (or that's what "they" want us to think :D) one of the biggest philantrophists of his time.
I'm sorry for my harsh language but ANYONE who believes that is an idiot. Making money by arming both sides for the good of mankind :roll:

What do you guys know about the Central Bank stuff. Is it true? Ever-increasing debt? How the hell do you Americans put up with that?!?

Ps. In the end where that british guy tells how Bill used to end his shows is really moving. When I first heard his voice chance to Bills...I cried. If anyone here is interested in Bill's life, read Agent of Evolution by Kevin Booth. Kevin is one of Bill's earliest friends so the book is very accurate.
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#153871 by Kivenkantaja
Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:33 pm
ian_glanzman wrote:I'm really glad you posted this. A great movie. I couldn't give a damn about the religious aspect of it but part 2 and part 3 are very interesting. I'm very interested in the opinions of the people on this forum.
Thank you sir. Your post made my day :D

#153880 by Kivenkantaja
Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:01 pm
Im A Strapping Young Lad wrote:Most of them started off with one country falsely misleading their own people into believing that another "evil" terrorist group or country was wanting to put them in harms way and in turn started a war which was pointless.
This is very true. Even the Winter war was launched by this. 26.11.1939 Soviets claimed that 13 Soviet soldiers were killed when Finnish artillerys shot Mainila. At the time, there were no artillerys nowhere near Mainila proving that Soviets lied. Some say that there were actually no shooting at all.

Less than 5 million people wanted to attack a goddamn superstate? Yeah right... :roll:

#153881 by VoiceInTheFan
Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:45 pm
I fuckin' hate you guys for posting it (...The More You Know :zen: ), but oh my god...I'm just completely baffled and I don't know what to say after watching it..... All I feel like doing is making every person I know watch it, although I know that isn't the intent of the filmmakers. I've always had a bad feeling about things. Maybe I'll elaborate on the personal connections some other time, but I can't help feeling scared after watching it.

Sorry for appearing so incoherent, this is just initial reaction speaking... but wow, one fuck of a film

#153884 by Ike
Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:37 pm
i found all parts really good. the essence is nothing new if you've read "illuminatus!", the flower of life or similar stuff, but it's perfectly explained, and the parts about newer developments in politics are really interesting. great, detailed view on that controlled demolition theory.

haha, you know what i just thought? this community here is on the safe side! lots and lots of self-aware, intelligent, caring individuals :D

but still, it's really spooky to realize that the world really works like that. what scares me most among the subjects the movie deals with is the increase of totally stupid entertainment (the images illustrating that topic are well picked), being used to keep the people's eyes closed. i can hardly imagine the majority of the "1st world" population stand up against the mass media and emancipate themselves :(

i'm already getting used to a renegade future down in the sewers with the other few who refused to take their chip, hunting rats, telling stories of the olden days and listening to the dev on an old mp3 player.

#154094 by Omninin the Ultra Quester
Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:29 am
yeah i watched it and i was cool. the second part i've already seen or read about.. but i think this image stood out on that part for me..

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the point about thermite? just toooo much of a coincidence to ignore.

i really like the first part. it all just goes back to being about the Sun. Brilliamt. i'd rather believe in something i can see and know exists rather than react blindly.

But what to do about all of it? what can one indiviudal do about it? pass out a few leaflets? arrange for this film and other slike it to screened somewhere? How do you get the word out to the mainstream and people who are just happy to plod along in life who are oblivious to this, or just dont want to know?
Its the big men in suits. the dudes in power. How do you fuck them up? You'd have no problem if you had a bunch of gundams and a storms of Ninjas at your disposal.
Maybe Ziltoid could help and summon the planet smasher!?

#154113 by Guitarzan
Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:00 pm
I'm just wondering when it's all going to end. Every major empire of the world has fallen in due time. I just hope this empire falls before it gets too powerful and seriously endangers the well being of the world. How do you get back at the men who hold all the power? I have a feeling that much of what goes on in politics is all part of a greater goal that nobody can even fathom. I mean, how do you fuck over the world bank???

It all paints a pretty bleak picture.

Although you have to question some of the facts...the North American Union hasn't been very much acted upon, and I don't see legally how it would render the US constitution invalid. And do you really think this whole nation will go along with the government REQUIRING an implanted chip? Or even the chip on IDs...identity theft would be bigger than ever.

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