Anti-gun nuts have never fired a gun in my honest opinion. This was not intended to start a flame war, but it more than likely will...

It's pretty half-assed pro-gun argument really .

I can see point in pro-gun ownership in US, society is probably saturated with guns so much that people need guns to defend themselves against their fellow citizens - looks pretty mandatory (and I don't think any attempt in taking guns from people would end good). On the other hand, I'm glad owning a gun is bit problematic in my country (of course, it's not forbidden, it's just procedures of gaining permission to have a piece are bit of pain in the ass) - gun crime is limited mainly for organized crime groups, where mafia blokes are punching holes in other mafia blokes. I'm glad that most pissed-off, frustrated Poles are far from firearms and have to resort to stabbing others, beating them with sticks or posting angry messages on the internets which makes fatality rate lower, I think.

It is, yes, and anyone who takes my "pro-gun argument" for anything more than what I said is taking me out of context...again.

The US is far from "saturated" with guns. Most government officials here are trying to put much stronger regulations on guns and outright ban them.

And for skrimp's very vague hit at my comment, you are wrong my friend. The very last thing I would ever want to do is take someone else's life(unless they threatened mine...) I am so against using a gun to go on a rampage or just outright kill someone for no reason. Every time I see on the news "couple gunned down" or "school shooting" I get extremely disappointed and frustrated with the abuse of such power that people seem to have no problem with.

I don't get you, man. At all.

First of all, if it happens so often that people miss-interpret you, maybe you're saying it wrong? By the way, "taking you out of context" is impossible, since there was no context, just one (1) sentence.

Then, I'm also really confused about whose side you're on. Your single-sentence post can only be explained in one way to me: you're 'pro-guns'. Then in the next post, you deny that claim without explaining anything. Where are you going?

And lastly, that last paragraph of your post was completely obsolete. It's all pretty damn obvious.


Personally, I believe guns should not be allowed near normal people, only for police and military and maybe some more security-related organisations.

I'm sure it can be a fun hobby and it can be used for protection. But it can also be used for lots of things that aren't very pretty. And when there are reports of killings, shootings, violence, and whatnot in the USA on a daily basis... When my first reaction to yet another massacre is "sigh, here we go again" and not "oh dear lord that's awful", it's pretty obvious to me that things have gotten way out of hand.

I know that the majority of gun owners are sensible people who use and treat their weapons in a sensible way, but when the majority of the population (which in some places in the USA, I'm sure there is), you're just asking for accidents.

[Keeker]

I own two .22 rifles. I have a licence for them, which is up for renewal next year. I will have much form filling to do and will get a fairly scary interview by the police. If it goes anything like the last one I will feel somewhat bullied by the end of it. They will also interview the poor soul I choose to vouch for my sanity.

I live on a farm so my ownership is justified for the following reasons. Animals occasionally get sick or damaged beyond reasonable repair and a gun is an efficient method of instant death, if you know what you're doing. Sometimes 'vermin' populations get a bit too numerous... rabbits, pigeons, crows. Crows are my pet hate. However, I've not shot any of these things for a long time because other people here do the job.

I won't be shooting at anything else unless zombies or aliens attack. Unlikely?

I think that guns are fine in the hands of responsible people who respect the power they are wielding, however to say guns should not be used outside of the armed forces is a little over the top... What happens when the shit hits the fan and the military take control over everything... Need your guns then guys haha. But at the end of the day The statistics of gun related deaths are slim compared to the amount of gun owners.. some of you make it sound like A. The gun is somthing to be feared and may just kill you on its own, and B. that all gun owners are rampaging serial killers that want to shoot everything for shits and giggles.

The gun crime will never go away but at least in places like the USA where it is a serious issue, the public are allowed to pack heat to protect themselves from others. If only the "bad guys" had guns then it would be a much bigger problem as they would have no fears of getting shot themselves.

Just my opinion, Law

I've fired a few guns because a friend of mine is a member of a shooting club (indoor target practice, don't worry ) and he's allowed to bring someone along to a shooting session. I have to say, the first time I pulled the trigger I was really fucking afraid of it. So much power in my hands, whoa. That being said I strongly believe that such powerful weapons shouldn't be readily available to anyone, which is why I quite like all the rules and regulations and required licenses and whatnot that are in effect here. I guess you can't ban guns entirely but for fuck's sake don't just sell them to any idiot who manages to open a door to a gunstore.

Agreed. With you too Lawrence.
I love guns, I love the mechanics, I love firing them, I love weapons. I'm not a columbine kid.

It's really simple to me. Whether guns are banned or not humans will find a way to kill each other. period. Until we evolve
violence is part of the human condition. For now people still have the urge to dominate, the lust for power, and will do anything to get it.
Are you people saying that without guns it will make being a murderer harder?
Without guns political figures will not be able to manipulate and hurt people?
Without guns there will be no crime? no war?

I'm doing my best not to twist peoples words, but this makes me so fucking angry.

Fuzzy blankets, guns and SYL keep me alive.

Whether guns are banned or not humans will find a way to kill each other.

Yes but my point as always is that while we can find a way to kill each other with relative ease, guns are created and exist for the sole purpose of killing. What is the inevitable result of such a thing existing? OH YES, death. Target practice can be done with *non-lethal* weapons (paintballs, rubber bullets, whatever). Because guns exist at the moment, I think that it makes sense farmers have them for killing animals like Keeker said. But if they didn't exist, there'd be other humane, quick ways of killing animals. I just wish they didn't exist, that they weren't invented in the first place.

What happens when the shit hits the fan and the military take control over everything... Need your guns then guys haha.

Oh you went there.


My "WTF" is that when I was in the unemployment office today (trying to scrape some bit of money out of my meagre PRSI contributions while I'm in the gutter), I noticed that there were a maximum of ten people in the entire room of well over one hundred people who were actually speaking with an Irish accent and looking like they were from Ireland. When they say that people claiming unemployment assistance has doubled here in the last year, they never mention that most of the people who are claiming it weren't actually born and raised here. It's sort of annoying that I've paid almost two years of PRSI and my parents have a combined 60+ years and I'm entitled to fewer benefits than people who arrived last year and haven't been working. Shouldn't they be getting unemployment from their indigenous government? Or I could just be a raving xenophobe.

It's sort of annoying that I've paid almost two years of PRSI and my parents have a combined 60+ years and I'm entitled to fewer benefits than people who arrived last year and haven't been working. Shouldn't they be getting unemployment from their indigenous government? Or I could just be a raving xenophobe.

Quite possibly there's plenty of welfare-abusing Poles there. I've also heard that there were plenty of them leeching monies from Norway - sitting on arses in Poland and somehow getting welfare money from Norwegian government. Until Norwegians got annoyed and kicked them away off money-tit. It sucks since Norwegians were damn nice to us and now we'll be associated with such freeloaders.

It's sort of annoying that I've paid almost two years of PRSI and my parents have a combined 60+ years and I'm entitled to fewer benefits than people who arrived last year and haven't been working. Shouldn't they be getting unemployment from their indigenous government? Or I could just be a raving xenophobe.

Quite possibly there's plenty of welfare-abusing Poles there. I've also heard that there were plenty of them leeching monies from Norway - sitting on arses in Poland and somehow getting welfare money from Norwegian government. Until Norwegians got annoyed and kicked them away off money-tit. It sucks since Norwegians were damn nice to us and now we'll be associated with such freeloaders.

I've worked with loads of nice Polish girlies though, I know lots of people come here with legitimate intentions of working. It's not just Polish, it's eastern european in general, Nigerian, I even heard some French being spoken. I suppose it just means that if I ever go to a foreign country and can't find work, I'm more than entitled to demand welfare!

[Keeker]

My WTF for today was when I went out to get a takeaway meal. I couldn't keep the smile off my face when I realised there was two Englishmen, an Irishman and a Scotswoman all standing in a Chinese Takeaway discussing a red pudding supper.

It was like a strange real life opening to a really bad joke.

I think that guns are fine in the hands of responsible people who respect the power they are wielding

Alas, many responsible people are capable of turning into idiots in the blink of an eye. After killings in a school or church, or after an attempt on our queen's life (with a car, not a gun) or whatever, you never hear people say "Yeah I knew it was coming, it has always been obvious that he's a psychopath". It's always "Oooh didn't see that one coming, he was such a good kid, took good care of his bunny rabbits and loved his grandma". There's no telling who goes on a rampage and who doesn't, and not many people get a gun with the intention of going on a killing frenzy. They just happen to have access to one when they flip out.

What happens when the shit hits the fan and the military take control over everything... Need your guns then guys haha.

You'll be fucked anyway because you're standing there with your .22 like Keeker or whatever gun you have, and the army has tanks and bombers. You're really not going to make any difference

But at the end of the day The statistics of gun related deaths are slim compared to the amount of gun owners.. some of you make it sound like A. The gun is somthing to be feared and may just kill you on its own, and B. that all gun owners are rampaging serial killers that want to shoot everything for shits and giggles.

I think one of the major problems with guns is that distance and time are hardly a factor anymore. Try stabbing a croud of 5 people. You'll stab 1 person and the other 4 will either run (probably, since most people are cowards) or overpower you. Try to do it with a gun, you'll be done in a couple of seconds from a safe distance.

The gun crime will never go away but at least in places like the USA where it is a serious issue, the public are allowed to pack heat to protect themselves from others. If only the "bad guys" had guns then it would be a much bigger problem as they would have no fears of getting shot themselves.

I'm quite happy it's just the bad guys here. Stay away from them and you stay out of trouble. I don't need a gun because no-one else does. I know that not everyone shoots people in the face over nothing, but I'd rather not run into someone who does and has a gun.



It's nothing against you (or anyone) personally, Lawrence. I just seemed to disagree with all your points - no offence

Whether guns are banned or not humans will find a way to kill each other.

Yes but my point as always is that while we can find a way to kill each other with relative ease, guns are created and exist for the sole purpose of killing. What is the inevitable result of such a thing existing? OH YES, death. Target practice can be done with *non-lethal* weapons (paintballs, rubber bullets, whatever). Because guns exist at the moment, I think that it makes sense farmers have them for killing animals like Keeker said. But if they didn't exist, there'd be other humane, quick ways of killing animals. I just wish they didn't exist, that they weren't invented in the first place.

Yes, hence the term weapon. Any tool used for hunting or combat. Yes, killing humans an animals.
It's a highly efficient projectile weapon.

I grew up around guns, hunting and shooting.
I do understand where your coming from, but your kind of preaching to the choir.
I'm not ignorant to the destruction caused by guns. and I'm not apathetic towards the loss of human life.
But I'm sticking to what I said before.
Maybe I'm an ignorant hick, I don't know. Crazy people don't know they're crazy.

So heres a WTF

A weird manic guy I met in the NH.

"Touch me, I'm Magic! No really, touch me!,I'm magic " He was dead serious.


Scary thing was, we was right!

It's sort of annoying that I've paid almost two years of PRSI and my parents have a combined 60+ years and I'm entitled to fewer benefits than people who arrived last year and haven't been working. Shouldn't they be getting unemployment from their indigenous government? Or I could just be a raving xenophobe.

Quite possibly there's plenty of welfare-abusing Poles there. I've also heard that there were plenty of them leeching monies from Norway - sitting on arses in Poland and somehow getting welfare money from Norwegian government. Until Norwegians got annoyed and kicked them away off money-tit. It sucks since Norwegians were damn nice to us and now we'll be associated with such freeloaders.

Really? Don't think us Norwaygiaens would have a functioning society without you Poles, like 50% of the workforce are Polish :p Annoying when I'm trying to renew my buspass on the bus though as noone speaks mah language.

Anti-gun nuts have never fired a gun in my honest opinion. This was not intended to start a flame war, but it more than likely will...

It's pretty half-assed pro-gun argument really .

I can see point in pro-gun ownership in US, society is probably saturated with guns so much that people need guns to defend themselves against their fellow citizens - looks pretty mandatory (and I don't think any attempt in taking guns from people would end good). On the other hand, I'm glad owning a gun is bit problematic in my country (of course, it's not forbidden, it's just procedures of gaining permission to have a piece are bit of pain in the ass) - gun crime is limited mainly for organized crime groups, where mafia blokes are punching holes in other mafia blokes. I'm glad that most pissed-off, frustrated Poles are far from firearms and have to resort to stabbing others, beating them with sticks or posting angry messages on the internets which makes fatality rate lower, I think.

It is, yes, and anyone who takes my "pro-gun argument" for anything more than what I said is taking me out of context...again.

The US is far from "saturated" with guns. Most government officials here are trying to put much stronger regulations on guns and outright ban them.

And for skrimp's very vague hit at my comment, you are wrong my friend. The very last thing I would ever want to do is take someone else's life(unless they threatened mine...) I am so against using a gun to go on a rampage or just outright kill someone for no reason. Every time I see on the news "couple gunned down" or "school shooting" I get extremely disappointed and frustrated with the abuse of such power that people seem to have no problem with.

I don't get you, man. At all.

First of all, if it happens so often that people miss-interpret you, maybe you're saying it wrong? By the way, "taking you out of context" is impossible, since there was no context, just one (1) sentence.

Then, I'm also really confused about whose side you're on. Your single-sentence post can only be explained in one way to me: you're 'pro-guns'. Then in the next post, you deny that claim without explaining anything. Where are you going?

And lastly, that last paragraph of your post was completely obsolete. It's all pretty damn obvious.


Personally, I believe guns should not be allowed near normal people, only for police and military and maybe some more security-related organisations.

I'm sure it can be a fun hobby and it can be used for protection. But it can also be used for lots of things that aren't very pretty. And when there are reports of killings, shootings, violence, and whatnot in the USA on a daily basis... When my first reaction to yet another massacre is "sigh, here we go again" and not "oh dear lord that's awful", it's pretty obvious to me that things have gotten way out of hand.

I know that the majority of gun owners are sensible people who use and treat their weapons in a sensible way, but when the majority of the population (which in some places in the USA, I'm sure there is), you're just asking for accidents.

Well again, this all goes back to the oh so typical argument of "you dont know what it's like to live in the US" because it's damn true whether you wish to believe it or not. Because guns are so prevalent here, amongst gangs namely, it is almost a necessity to have one. I do not own one and neither do my parents. Do we want one? Yes. The thought of someone breaking into my house with a weapon and us having nothing to defend ourselves with is much scarier than you think. I dont live in a "bad" neighborhood by any means. Yes we have had "gang" activity and some break-ins, but nothing serious.

The fact of the matter is that with the crime rate in America, guns related or not, it is a good thing to have one for personal and family protection, even if just to keep an intruder at bay by threatening him with it and not using it. There's that fear that was mentioned by others before.

The point I was trying to make, is that yes I am pro-gun, but I am against using them for personal gain (other than hunting to get food) or harming another human being, unless said human is threatening your life; and to address Zyprexa's comment on that, I mean with a knife or gun, something that can kill or maim you.

Need anything clarified? I thought I was pretty clear with it all.

I still think it's fighting fire with fire. The problem is that too many people have guns. How is more people with guns going to solve that?

I still think it's fighting fire with fire. The problem is that too many people have guns. How is more people with guns going to solve that?

It's true. But you cant just up and take something someone spent their hard earned money on. I'm sure you wouldnt want the government coming in and taking your computer away from you because it poses a threat to your health in some way, would you?

I still think it's fighting fire with fire. The problem is that too many people have guns. How is more people with guns going to solve that?

It's true. But you cant just up and take something someone spent their hard earned money on. I'm sure you wouldnt want the government coming in and taking your computer away from you because it poses a threat to your health in some way, would you?

Congratulations somewhere an American now has cancer from assembling the circut boards in your computer.