Sorry for the bad spelling and grammatic errors. I must be tired(I'm also swedish, and english is not my first language).

[Tracy]

Music is art. Art is not work
Haha. I do have a hard time supporting artists who bitch about downloading though. Most of the make a decent living. I don´t think Devin is living under a newspaper on the sidewalks. Perspective, perspective. He´s a genuis. He´ll survive...

You really have no clue, do you. There is no point arguing with you. You have no facts, you still believe in a fantasy.

Music may be art but the recording and promoting and touring of it is work. And frankly, no, most do not make a decent living.

However, I do see from your follow-up post that you are Swedish. That gives you a skewed perspective. Swedish bands get generous government support. US and Canadian bands get nothing. Don't base your opinions on your own back yard because it doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

Please just ban Mulluz, he's clearly clueless, and it disgusts me that he says art is not work. He obviously has never seriously gone through the recording process in his life.

All I can say is that I will let people to download my music for free.

The only artist I have supported in the past year has been Devin. I've all of his work on mp3's but I've been buying SYL/DTB albums throught hevydevy. I rather give my money to a guy who has his own company and will get most of the money i will pay. I find it fooking stupid to pay like 20€ when the artist gets basically nothing.

BTW, I could get some of Dev's albums for under 10€ but I rather spend my money in HevyDevy store just to support one of the most honest artist in the 2000's.

I'm sorry, but isn't there a lot of hypocrisy going on in this thread?
Or, maybe not hypocrisy, but ... if you look at the poll, there are some people(a lot of people) out there who will download it when it leaks. I sure as hell know I will.
Haha, i just wanted to say that... I support music by listening to it. Not buying it. It's all love...

So...you categorically state that you will download Synchestra, and not buy it?

Is that what you are saying?

[EphelDuath666]

is that a tick? Cute! But it definitely fits! What a dork...

Personal opinion of mine... Im really starting to get hacked off with this 'all music should be free' crap.
I rue the day that I can no longer go into a record store and get my hands on a CD and know that my money is going to the people that matter.. The artists themselves!?!
These people who at the end of the day need to make a living for themselves and their family.
Tonight at the Wolverhampton gig, there were people selling shirts outside. I chose to wait until I could see the official mechandise stall and buy the offical SYL 'We Rule Britannia' shirt!?!
Why? Because at the end of the day I know Dev and the rest of the band are going to get a cut of the cash i've just spent! As opposed to some shitty shirt from outside that'll probably fall apart after the first wash and who knows where the cash goes in their hands?

Anyway, rant over!

Mulluz, why do you suppose Dev spends most of his waking life making music? Because he can survive without food or heating or without paying taxes?

So he just does it so you can listen to it and expects nothing in return?

I suppose you go to work and don't expect to get paid at the end of the month right?

Suppose EVERYONE did what you did?

Dev would have to stop writing music and start working a shitty day job and if you've ever heard the song SYL you'll know how much Dev hates that.

So stop being so ignorant and consider the ramifications of your viewpoint before you boast about them on the website of a guy you supposedly enjoy the music of.

You have no right enjoying anyone's music without giving the artist the credit they deserve by buying their album.

And so what if they're on a major? So they don't get any money anyway? Well if noone buys their stuff they'll get even less and eventually get dropped. So I'm not defending the Sonys and EMIs of this world for how they treat artists, but that's no reason to deny the artists what little share of the profits they would expect to get, by lazily downloading everything for free.

You say you support music, but in the modern framework of the music industry, you're a parasite and a criminal; stealing from corporations AND CRUCIALLY... the artists.

I like buying good cds. It's a pleasant feeling.

Hey, chill...
"Music is art, not work...". You might have noticed the ironic smiley i used after that sentence... otherwise - check again.
Anyways, what about those other 41% who will download the album? Can some of those guys please show up here and give me a hand. Haha, I can't keep up with forums like these. I will just try to create some sort of general answer to all of you who replied.
First: I am not the Devil incarnated. Im just a unemployed("suppose you go to work and don't expect to get paid at the end of the month right?")
guy from northern sweden. And still - answer this: If you try to think of the internet as a physical thing. The records are everywhere. It's like you can't look anywhere without seeing a record...and then in the middle of this world of records you see a desk, with a guy trying to ge people to go to him, and _pay_ for stuff that you might as well take(cause they´re _everywhere_). It doesn't make sense. It's just that. Think of it more like a philosophical problem. It just isn't as easy and black/white as all of you all seem to see it. That's all I'm saying really.

And Coma Divine: Yes, if i find it, I will download it... Would I have bought it otherwise? Maybe... Can´t say really. The records I've bought are City, Infinity, and Terria...I think? Hm. I think i own Terria(but where the heck is it ?)

Music is art. Art is not work

Art is sold for money. Have you ever priced any artwork? If you want to own an *original* Rembrant you'll need about 30 million U.S. dollars, give or take millions more.

Or you can currently own an *original* piece of artwork from Devin for like 15 bucks or so.

Of course downloading is an inevitable thing. The music industry is a changing industry, and the labels are going out whether they like it or not - kicking and screaming. We have already seen some adaptations, such as all these sites where one pays a dollar per song or whatever for downloading, and this is just the beginning. We will see far more adaptations and controls come into play as we progress into the future. Those who accept change and adapt the quickest will do the best, regardless of how this compares to business in the past. I personally think that eventually a very high percentage, if not all albums will be purchased online and DLed.

But getting back to TODAY. Technology (including downloading) is a great thing for too many reasons to get into. (I wouldn't own any of my Devin/SYL CD's without it) But the negative consequence is when fans who would otherwise give money in some way to the artist do not b/c they can get it for free. This is bad for the reasons Tracy mentioned. If you choose to be one of these types as you have explained, it's probably a better idea NOT to mention it on the band's board. It's not exactly something to be proud of.

Exactly.

It is the height of audacity to post on an artist's own official forum that you intend to rip them off, in effect.

Your economic circumstances taken into account, fair enough. If you can't afford something - obviously you can't purchase it. But HERE is NOT the place to say you WON'T purchase it.

dude! i assure you everyone who downloads it will still buy it! i won't cause my connection is shit, but EVERYONE who is on this forum is willing to give the man the few bucks you OWE him for the hours of pleasure he GIVES you! and i'm sorry just using a smiley and saying "chill" hardly makes everything else you said okay!


and no i will not just fuck off...

[EphelDuath666]

yeah, I don't get why 15 bucks, Euros, whatever is too much for something that you listen to over and over again and might enjoy for years.