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#142841 by Yanko
Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:50 am
i haven't turned a radio on since i was like 9 :lol:
i've always been highly picky with my music :P

#142842 by Goat
Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:53 am
Yanko wrote:i haven't turned a radio on since i was like 9 :lol:
i've always been highly picky with my music :P


Same here.

On topic: you could really give it a go with that Courtney article. Labels are distributors, their investment in the band returns with the first profits the band makes. That is a fact: labels get paid first, the artist last. But if their work is to distribute and nothing else, then if an alternative way of distribution is found, they lose the game. They are not needed anymore, they are old news. The profits they claim are absurd, but here's the catch: their sole reason of existence is making profits, the art itself is long forgotten. That's why they are fighting every competing way of distribution who can eat into their profits. Another problem is the distributor's usurpation of the authorship rights. They claim to own the art and are able to do so because of the questionable lobbying practices which gave them the right to do so, so all they can do now is wave with the laws and as far as they are concerned, it doesn't go any further than that. Well it does. Then of course the whole system is permeated with the label/distributor logic so if you kill it, the inevitable crash of the whole system is due, which nobody wants. On short term it'd be a disaster, on long term it might be a healthy thing.

I think you shouldn't go and try to change the opponent's or the professor's mind, you should try to present the case from the point of view which will make them reflect their own position and see that there is something wrong with their picture, that something fell out, and that is the art itself. Anyway, good luck.

In my rhetorics class I had to defend "male chauvinism," hehe, "yes, male chauvinism is a good thing." :lol: The class full of chicks voted a draw and the professor granted my team the better argument. I hate those debates actually, you hear lots of utter bullcrap which at the end you find out can't be fought against.

#142866 by fragility
Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:45 pm
IronMaiden736 wrote:
fragility wrote:What you'll probably find is that it's more about the process of exploring it and the argument you build, rather than "you must convince me that it's ok to download"


It's an oral composition class, so most of my grade will be based on how I present it to the class. It's a debate format, so I have to compete with someone that is against music piracy. The person who presents the best and has the best arguments gets the better grade.


Just a general tip then, try an pre-empt their coutner-arguments to yours (assuming they get the chance) preparation is everything :)

#142869 by Noodles
Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:16 pm
Yanko wrote:i haven't turned a radio on since i was like 9 :lol:
i've always been highly picky with my music :P

Yeah, I've tried a few times but hearing a bunch of stuff I haven't heard of on shuffle isn't a good way for me to discover new bands... and generally if I put on a metal station I alredy have heard and have an opinion on everything else they play =\

#142921 by Deth Warmdover
Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:28 pm
Has Devin Townsend ever had any public view on this issue? Seems he's showing by example very clear understanding of the perils of the Biz. I would really love to here his ideas on it. Certainly, musicians are not the only artists exploited by handlers and 'the industry'. I've made my living from creating stuff all my life and have delt with many attacks on issues of ownership, copywrite, use intellectual property etc. So many artists are ripped off it's amazing anyone creates anything at all.

#143035 by Steez
Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:58 am
Hold on there sparky don't try and prove how cds are wrong instead maybe explain how getting free music gets the music heard of many artists who don't have the money for promoting them selves......downloading free music is cool...I mean thats how I heard Devin's solo stuff for the most part through, downloading his music for free....but guess what....I WENT OUT AND BOUGHT THE CD'S when i had the chance thusly putting money back into the pocket of Devin cuz that money is used to like you know...KEEP HIS MUSIC OUT THERE! So you know, you can like go see Devin play even if it is a small venue because there is a demand and people are paying to hear and see him, think about it. People gotta stop thinking that companies only make money and there is an evil side ( which I do believe there is ) the artist has got to make some mulah!

#143063 by Deth Warmdover
Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:01 pm
One thing though, not to many people seem to really care what the musicians want for the most part. Like Corteny pointed out, any time a musician pipes up for or against, basically everybody says shut up and let the grown ups settle this. This is an issue of consumption and feeding that consumption not 'sharing' and artistic rights.Sounds like both consumer and distributor both just want their pie. I feel it should be up to the musician how and where their music can be accessed and if they don't want any reproduction without renumeration, then that will or will not be to their detrement but should be their choice. Already, the internet is becoming so vast that pretty soon having your music floating around umungst 100,000,000 other songs it will have the impact of some one in underware downtown Manhattan, none. Personally, I think it's oK but I wish more people really cared what the bands want. After all they are the farmers. The ones making the food for our ears

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