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#201085 by swervedriver
Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:05 am
BrunoN wrote:
daneulephus wrote:Well, I just figured a few other people have links on every single post, so why not....seriously though, if it is bugging people I won't post links. I am smart enough to realize this is not my band's forum...but it seemed like people were open to talking about other music in here without getting too off topic. Maybe there is guidelines about this sort of thing? Any moderators have anything to add on this? :sad:


Why don't you just put a link in your signature and whore it all the time, like everyone else? Fantastic stuff you're making by the way.


In addition to that, why not go over to the personal projects subforum and make a topic about your music there? That way all the praise won't get in the way of the discussion about/with Dev. And praise you do deserve for what you've made, it sounds very good. :)
#201103 by The Oid
Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:42 am
I think people that aren't critical of their own work, probably tend not to get very good at their art. Improvement comes through learning from your mistakes, and building on what you've done before.

That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.
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#201107 by The Oid
Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:08 am
BrunoN wrote:
daneulephus wrote:Well, I just figured a few other people have links on every single post, so why not....seriously though, if it is bugging people I won't post links. I am smart enough to realize this is not my band's forum...but it seemed like people were open to talking about other music in here without getting too off topic. Maybe there is guidelines about this sort of thing? Any moderators have anything to add on this? :sad:


Why don't you just put a link in your signature and whore it all the time, like everyone else? Fantastic stuff you're making by the way.


I agree, everyone else is doing it, and it makes it easier to find for those of us that are interested. Personally I think it's a good thing when people link to stuff they've made, it makes the forums more interesting.
#201111 by elvendio
Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:38 am
The Oid wrote:That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.


Very true .when I'm working on a song I have to listen and play it over and over so many times that it's difficult to draw the line. I Find if I don't still like the song after a few listens then it probably didn't make the cut so to say.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZcArD9fwA&feature=channel_page[/youtube]
#201118 by Synthetic_Urination
Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:36 am
elvendio wrote:
The Oid wrote:That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.


Very true .when I'm working on a song I have to listen and play it over and over so many times that it's difficult to draw the line. I Find if I don't still like the song after a few listens then it probably didn't make the cut so to say.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZcArD9fwA&feature=channel_page[/youtube]


Along side the awesome song, I really enjoy watching the looks on your face near the end there!

Haha, great vid.
#201119 by daneulephus
Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:09 am
The Oid wrote:I think people that aren't critical of their own work, probably tend not to get very good at their art. Improvement comes through learning from your mistakes, and building on what you've done before.

That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.


It is extremely easy...for me anyway...to listen to my music, only because I try making music that I want to hear...or haven't yet heard. However, I have a very hard time listen to anything that isn't current because I always think it sucks in comparison to what I am doing now, which proves the point of your first comment.

This is why sometimes I envy the listener, because I will never know what it is like to hear my music objectively. It is also why I involve more people than myself...for valued opinions.

Btw, I had no idea about the personal projects thread....I will check it out, thanx!

Dan
#201124 by Synthetic_Urination
Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:30 am
daneulephus wrote:
The Oid wrote:I think people that aren't critical of their own work, probably tend not to get very good at their art. Improvement comes through learning from your mistakes, and building on what you've done before.

That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.


It is extremely easy...for me anyway...to listen to my music, only because I try making music that I want to hear...or haven't yet heard. However, I have a very hard time listen to anything that isn't current because I always think it sucks in comparison to what I am doing now, which proves the point of your first comment.

This is why sometimes I envy the listener, because I will never know what it is like to hear my music objectively. It is also why I involve more people than myself...for valued opinions.

Btw, I had no idea about the personal projects thread....I will check it out, thanx!

Dan


I have a hard time getting people to listen to my music do to the fact that its not structured like "normal" songs, and sometimes the ideas behind them are a little crazy, think of Frank Zappa meets Mr. Bungle.....
#201127 by daneulephus
Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:25 am
Synthetic_Urination wrote:
I have a hard time getting people to listen to my music do to the fact that its not structured like "normal" songs, and sometimes the ideas behind them are a little crazy, think of Frank Zappa meets Mr. Bungle.....


I like the idea of that combo.....
#201137 by Amber
Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:54 am
daneulephus wrote:
Synthetic_Urination wrote:
I have a hard time getting people to listen to my music do to the fact that its not structured like "normal" songs, and sometimes the ideas behind them are a little crazy, think of Frank Zappa meets Mr. Bungle.....


I like the idea of that combo.....


Agreed. :D

I have a strange thing, where I can sense what a person is feeling if they are listening to a song I'm showing them. It's good, because I can sense if they like it or not, but for that exact reason, it's also not good.

In the couple of songs I've made, I kinda enjoy listening to them, because it's like a case of "Wow, I just made sound from silence!" So, it's kinda self fulfiling, espeically when people enjoy it, because I'm really no musican at all. It was funny awhile ago making a song with my partner, as me being from an art background, I'm like "Do this, and put this noise into it here!" and hes like "No, that breaks (such and such theory.) And it will sound crap." with me replying, "So?! It SHOULD be there. I dunno why, but put it there." And then trying to find a compromise of both. We got it to work in the end, but I think we've lost the song...
#201141 by Synthetic_Urination
Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:59 am
Amber wrote:
daneulephus wrote:
Synthetic_Urination wrote:
I have a hard time getting people to listen to my music do to the fact that its not structured like "normal" songs, and sometimes the ideas behind them are a little crazy, think of Frank Zappa meets Mr. Bungle.....


I like the idea of that combo.....


Agreed. :D

I have a strange thing, where I can sense what a person is feeling if they are listening to a song I'm showing them. It's good, because I can sense if they like it or not, but for that exact reason, it's also not good.

In the couple of songs I've made, I kinda enjoy listening to them, because it's like a case of "Wow, I just made sound from silence!" So, it's kinda self fulfiling, espeically when people enjoy it, because I'm really no musican at all. It was funny awhile ago making a song with my partner, as me being from an art background, I'm like "Do this, and put this noise into it here!" and hes like "No, that breaks (such and such theory.) And it will sound crap." with me replying, "So?! It SHOULD be there. I dunno why, but put it there." And then trying to find a compromise of both. We got it to work in the end, but I think we've lost the song...


I always go back to "Who made these rules and why are they here" Yeah sometimes I agree with these "rules" but most of the time I go by my ear, not a rule. Although there might be the reason why no one listens lolol
#201148 by The Oid
Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:38 pm
My understanding is that music theory is just a general set of rules for what sounds good, based on analysis of what generally sounds pleasing to most people. It's more like a set of guidelines than a set of unbreakable rules.

I'm of the opinion that it's good to know music theory, as it can be extremely helpful in trying to write better music, and if you're going to break the rules, it's better to know what the rules are, so you can make an informed choice whether or not to break them. There's no reason why you can't break the rules if you decide that the result is more pleasing to your ear, though.
#201153 by UncleCthulhu
Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:06 pm
The Oid wrote:That said, I find it hard to understand how musicians can listen to their own music after going through the recording process. Having to listen to small parts of your song, or even the whole song, over, and over, and over tends to take the shine off even the best music.


Hahah definately, I used to make a habit of working on one song and one song only until I'd finished it but nowadays whenever I'm writing a whole bunch of music I work on a song until I start to get bored of it and then move on to another one.

I just helps to keep everything really fresh, so sometimes I can pick up a song I'd started some time ago and go "hey, this sounds really good actually".
#201154 by Amber
Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:22 pm
The Oid wrote:My understanding is that music theory is just a general set of rules for what sounds good, based on analysis of what generally sounds pleasing to most people. It's more like a set of guidelines than a set of unbreakable rules.

I'm of the opinion that it's good to know music theory, as it can be extremely helpful in trying to write better music, and if you're going to break the rules, it's better to know what the rules are, so you can make an informed choice whether or not to break them. There's no reason why you can't break the rules if you decide that the result is more pleasing to your ear, though.


Yeah, this is what he meant too. :D I have pretty much zero understanding of music theory (The whole, falling out with my music teacher business didn't help much here.) I can read a stave, and I know where a C on a keyboard is. :D So, my basis was finding sounds that work, and then trying to find the pitch and placement. (And oddly, the imagery of it on Logic helped too.) Where as with his music theory knowledge, he can work it out that way. It's quite interesting trying to understand how eachother's minds work.
#201163 by hairbearbunch
Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:57 pm
Like somewhere between a math's formula and a Brett Whitely painting (he used to line up his works, wait for the right inspiration to tackle a particular one).
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#201168 by UncleCthulhu
Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:42 pm
Amber wrote:Yeah, this is what he meant too. :D I have pretty much zero understanding of music theory (The whole, falling out with my music teacher business didn't help much here.) I can read a stave, and I know where a C on a keyboard is. :D So, my basis was finding sounds that work, and then trying to find the pitch and placement. (And oddly, the imagery of it on Logic helped too.) Where as with his music theory knowledge, he can work it out that way. It's quite interesting trying to understand how eachother's minds work.


If you have the means to learn some music theory then I'd definately recommend it. I'm in no way saying that you need to know theory to write good music but it sure as hell helps if you have something in mind and want to quickly work it out before you forget it.

When it comes to singing I don't see theory as being as important but learning theory really did help me with working on harmonies.

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