I've really become a fan of ambient music, and the Hummer was a huge help to that. I currently love all sorts of ambient music. Dark ambient, death ambient, tribal/ritual ambient, and anything else. I still love the Hummer, and if Ghost is anywhere in that league, I'm sure I will love it. I'm excited for Deconstruction as well, but yeah, as far as recent interests go, I'm big into straight up atmospheres right now, and I have a feeling that Ghost will be able to feed that need.

I don't really get the concept of "growing out of" heavy music. Certainly "RAAAR I'm really angry at my parents and also the bullies who make fun of me for being uNiQuE", or liking heavy music and only heavy music, but not the whole shebang. Aggressive, loud music can be about teenage angst, but it can also be expressing any emotion that's too intense to be boxed in by quiet, mellow music.

Not to say that this can't apply to mellow music at all, but to me, aside from cookie-cutter death metal, at least someone that wrote a heavy song actually felt something and felt the need to write about it. As opposed to "oh baby I wanna shift 100,000 retail units with you...". I mean, Lady Gaga for example, her music is catchy, but did the writer of that music really feel when they wrote it, what the fuck is it about? To me that's not art (or at least, it is art, but only to the extent that wallpaper, elevator music, and a jingle written for a toilet-paper advert is art).

I guess one way to put it, is that it's like overusing compression in music. If you heavily compress a track, then you lose all the dynamic range, the quiet and the loud come closer together so that there's not much between them. Writing off heavy music altogether is a bit like that to me, it's like cutting off a whole range of human expression.

Just my two cents.

I guess to be fair though, a lot of heavy music doesn't really try to challenge what heavy music can be about, and consists of nothing more than growling about satan, war, death, etc.

I don't really get the concept of "growing out of" heavy music. Certainly "RAAAR I'm really angry at my parents and also the bullies who make fun of me for being uNiQuE", or liking heavy music and only heavy music, but not the whole shebang. Aggressive, loud music can be about teenage angst, but it can also be expressing any emotion that's too intense to be boxed in by quiet, mellow music.

Not to say that this can't apply to mellow music at all, but to me, aside from cookie-cutter death metal, at least someone that wrote a heavy song actually felt something and felt the need to write about it. As opposed to "oh baby I wanna shift 100,000 retail units with you...". I mean, Lady Gaga for example, her music is catchy, but did the writer of that music really feel when they wrote it, what the fuck is it about? To me that's not art (or at least, it is art, but only to the extent that wallpaper, elevator music, and a jingle written for a toilet-paper advert is art).

I guess one way to put it, is that it's like overusing compression in music. If you heavily compress a track, then you lose all the dynamic range, the quiet and the loud come closer together so that there's not much between them. Writing off heavy music altogether is a bit like that to me, it's like cutting off a whole range of human expression.

Just my two cents.

I guess to be fair though, a lot of heavy music doesn't really try to challenge what heavy music can be about, and consists of nothing more than growling about satan, war, death, etc.

You are bang on the money there dude. For me heavy music is'nt something i'd grow out of, nor any music of depth. For eg I was listening to Brahms as a kid and i havent out grown his stuff yet. Lately i've been liking this rather non heavy band called 'Camera obscura' from Glasgow, ive also been giving the 'Cavalera conspiracy' quite a pounding (however I am mildly concerned about how much ABBA i've been playig).
I'm 35 now, 36 in May and there isn't too much music iv'e out grown. Some i may have over played, but not out grown.

last 2 dudes are 100% correct.


for me, the best thing about Devy is that he can go from shit-your-pants extreme metal to the most beautifully hypnotic ambient songs and do it better than anyone else in the world. never before have i been able to get all of my favorite styles from one musicans.... sometimes from the same cd. Sometimes even the same song.

Though right now my lust for extremely brutal metal is insatiable. So yeah. But i digress... I'm soooooooooooo looking forward to Ghost.

I am looking forward to Ghost more so than I am looking forward to any other album. When I first started listening to metal, I really couldn't get into any songs that didn't create a good atmosphere. At the time, I did not know that that was why I found most metal unappealing, but I realize it now. Devin's music moved me more than anything else and I'm sure it is because of the strong atmosphere he creates in almost every song. The way I see it, Ghost will hopefully be an album full of the type of atmosphere we are accustomed to hearing from Devin. I might consider such an album to be musical perfection, but I might also have the wrong idea of what Ghost will actually be.

Am I the only one currently thinking Ghost >>>>> Deconstruction?

I think not. just a short while ago there was a poll on what is devs most anticipated project and Ghost was in the lead as most anticipated by fans. I was kinda surprised, because I thought that Decon or Z2 would be.

Yeah, I don't see this as a competitor to Deconstruction, much more a compliment. I don't feel that anyone grows out of any sort of music, but yet I feel that they grow into other genres. For me, I was a thrash or die kid in high school. I heard some SYL during my junior year, and suddenly there was a new alley for me to pursue, and one that included some of my jr high influences at the same time, only solidifying the fact that I did still like both industrial and metal bands. Devin's solo stuff reminded me that hey, there's a lot of poppy stuff I like while at the same time keeping me true to the progressive side of metal and rock. What he's doing here isn't much different. Sure, I love ambient music now more than ever, but at the same time, there is no form of heavy music that I won't run back to in an instand.

The main point being that Devin's music along with my own growth hasn't made me grow past any sort of music, but rather add more to my repitoire of what I enjoy.

I personally can't wait for Ghost just as much as I can't wait for Decon. There is room for all range of emotional expression in music and Devin nails it every time. So for me I'll be able to find places for both of these releases on equal amounts. I also bring a certain level of bias to it tho because what i'm currently "digging" always depends on my moods.

I don't really get the concept of "growing out of" heavy music. Certainly "RAAAR I'm really angry at my parents and also the bullies who make fun of me for being uNiQuE", or liking heavy music and only heavy music, but not the whole shebang. Aggressive, loud music can be about teenage angst, but it can also be expressing any emotion that's too intense to be boxed in by quiet, mellow music.

Not to say that this can't apply to mellow music at all, but to me, aside from cookie-cutter death metal, at least someone that wrote a heavy song actually felt something and felt the need to write about it. As opposed to "oh baby I wanna shift 100,000 retail units with you...". I mean, Lady Gaga for example, her music is catchy, but did the writer of that music really feel when they wrote it, what the fuck is it about? To me that's not art (or at least, it is art, but only to the extent that wallpaper, elevator music, and a jingle written for a toilet-paper advert is art).

I guess one way to put it, is that it's like overusing compression in music. If you heavily compress a track, then you lose all the dynamic range, the quiet and the loud come closer together so that there's not much between them. Writing off heavy music altogether is a bit like that to me, it's like cutting off a whole range of human expression.

Just my two cents.

I guess to be fair though, a lot of heavy music doesn't really try to challenge what heavy music can be about, and consists of nothing more than growling about satan, war, death, etc.

You are bang on the money there dude. For me heavy music is'nt something i'd grow out of, nor any music of depth. For eg I was listening to Brahms as a kid and i havent out grown his stuff yet. Lately i've been liking this rather non heavy band called 'Camera obscura' from Glasgow, ive also been giving the 'Cavalera conspiracy' quite a pounding (however I am mildly concerned about how much ABBA i've been playig).
I'm 35 now, 36 in May and there isn't too much music iv'e out grown. Some i may have over played, but not out grown.

I see what you mean, but It's not that I dislike the heavy stuff. Just, you know, I think Dev is best when he does more "broad" albums, like Synchestra or Terria, including the mellow tracks, and the mellow tracks just end up being my fav ones. That said, I don't like Physicist much at all, or the general SYL vibe.

But we might get that broad approach from the simultaneous release of these two albums, which is great. We can go for the heavy Decon stuff or the light Ghost stuff - just, you know, not both at the same time. Close enough.

Am I the only one currently thinking Ghost >>>>> Deconstruction?

I think not. just a short while ago there was a poll on what is devs most anticipated project and Ghost was in the lead as most anticipated by fans. I was kinda surprised, because I thought that Decon or Z2 would be.

I never saw that poll, but if you threw Z2 into the mix, I'd anticipate that even more.

I reckon Ghost is going to be a little better than Decon, just because I judge all heavy music now against SYL, as nothing can ever come close to their insanity.

That is so true, I think Meshuggah is the only equal band to come close to their insanity though, in my opinion. My motto for the two bands is:

SYL is the chaotic machine and Meshuggah is the creator.

Getting back on topic, I personally am looking forward to Decon more than Ghost, not so much for the fact that it's going to be a metal album, but for how experimental it is - technical and from what I understand there's something about an orchestra in there somewhere? (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
And Stand kicks ass, you cannot deny.

Aside from Opeth and Enslaved, Devin's music is the only really, really heavy stuff I listen to anymore. I listen to more rock and progressive rock music now. I guess I could say that I grew out of metal, or that I just don't really like anything outside the stuff that I've listened to since I was 15.

That being said, I am really looking forward to Ghost. Terria is my favorite Devin album so I really like his more mellow stuff. That doesn't mean that I'm not looking forward to Deconstruction, because I am.

I reckon Ghost is going to be a little better than Decon, just because I judge all heavy music now against SYL, as nothing can ever come close to their insanity.

That is so true, I think Meshuggah is the only equal band to come close to their insanity though, in my opinion. My motto for the two bands is:

SYL is the chaotic machine and Meshuggah is the creator.

That's a sweet motto, and it is so true. Meshuggah and SYL are the best metal bands on the planet imo.

That being said, I am really looking forward to Ghost. Terria is my favorite Devin album so I really like his more mellow stuff.

this one reminds that more than anything how you see 'Heavy' is totally subjective, ive always felt that Terria is heavy as hell! Its awesome that people see it so differently to me.

Re which album i'm keener for? Decon prob, although if he Enyas and Mazzy Stars up for Ghost, could be tight.

That being said, I am really looking forward to Ghost. Terria is my favorite Devin album so I really like his more mellow stuff.

this one reminds that more than anything how you see 'Heavy' is totally subjective, ive always felt that Terria is heavy as hell! Its awesome that people see it so differently to me.

I always thought Terria was heavy as fuck too! Mountain, Earth Day and The Fluke are heavy as. Although pretty much every one of Devin's opuses have a heavy vibe, maybe not metal, but heavy. I thought Ki for a long time was one of Devin's heaviest albums just due to how the flow went through Disruptr, Heaven Send and the amazing build-up to the title track.

The title of the topic got my interest since most of what I've seen here is everyone creaming themselves waiting for Ghost. I'm personally indifferent till I've heard the albums or some single or video etc And by that I mean non-live. I think hyping the albums this early is a waste of time I'm just going to listen to other things and wait. I don't get the whole maturing growing out of heavy the topic got onto look at Steven Wilson, he's gotten consecutively heavier in each release be it in PT or even his solo album (which really suprised me). Music is music I listen to whatever I want be it heavy or poppy or in the middle or none! Also Physicist is a good album and it's not even really heavy apart from Death and Devoid in my humble opinion.